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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
Hark, I hear Trump. Is it a lie or just someone who doesn't care aboiut facts:

Results of the Democratic Party presidential primaries, 2016
Candidate Hillary Clinton Bernie Sanders
Home state New York Vermont
Delegate count 2,842 1,865
Contests won 34 23
Popular vote 16,914,722 13,206,428

Whatever, Matty is posting nonsense again. Don't confuse him with facts, he's busy making some up.



Bernie was filling stadiums....Hillary couldn't fill a bookstore.


The DNC screwed Bernie, only an asshole would deny that.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ONLY A LIAR WOULD INVENT NUMBERS. HOW TRUMPISH OF YOU.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mat-ty wrote:
mac wrote:
Hark, I hear Trump. Is it a lie or just someone who doesn't care aboiut facts:

Results of the Democratic Party presidential primaries, 2016
Candidate Hillary Clinton Bernie Sanders
Home state New York Vermont
Delegate count 2,842 1,865
Contests won 34 23
Popular vote 16,914,722 13,206,428

Whatever, Matty is posting nonsense again. Don't confuse him with facts, he's busy making some up.



Bernie was filling stadiums....Hillary couldn't fill a bookstore.


The DNC screwed Bernie, only an asshole would deny that.


funny hillary got more votes than trump....

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nw30 wrote:
real-human wrote:

Idiot norway sweden, Japan, germany, holland and so on are so much more socialist than your listed Putin republics [Cuba and Venezuela]. I know you love what Putin does to countries.

I normally don't respond to you because you're just like Maxine Waters, worthless, but you mentioned some countries that the libs love to bring up.
I'll never understand why liberals like to bring up countries like that as some sort of model that our country should be trying to emulate, as if they are so much better than us, they are not. What's so special about western Europe (or similar), and why won't the people who believe that just move there if it's so much better? Hell, just take the multitude of celebs who have given some sort of statement like if he gets elected, I'm leaving the country, or if this passes, I'm leaving the country, none of them ever do, which is actually too bad, but it also proves my point.

So you libs out there go ahead and follow the lead of the "new face of the democrat party", as the head of the DNC, Tom Perez says, "Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez". It's going to be very entertaining for us in the center, and to the right of center.
A little something for your reading enjoyment.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/article215241865.html


I will reply in several posts... But you do not reply in general because my points are so strong you and all right wingers have no chance to find a counter. Believe me I have been on a lot of boards and this has been true universally, not just here. The difference here is there is no moderator and as such trolling and illegal activities like stalking occur. On all other boards, those who start and continue are removed. again as I said it goes with the law called unclean hands. Once someone ever starts it they cannot get legal help, I use this like clockwork. I have never been removed from a political board ever, I do not start it. Just as on this forum I have challenged anyone to show where I have ever started it and not defended and willing to bet all assets in the millions. No one has ever taken me up on it.

First your logic, it is ok to list socialist developing nations for a point. But it is not acceptable to look at developed nations that are socialist to show socialism is not vodooooo as right wing play it to be. So same question back at ya.

Next if the bernie and Alex can get enthusiasm of people who have not voted to come out and vote well think about it. Trump lost the popular vote already, we know the Clinton voters will be back to vote for sure during the midterms. The special elections so far have shown right winger extreamists are motivating liberals to vote, places where trump won the right wingers lost in special elections. There were areas where trump won buy in some cases 30-40 percent.

There are more people that did not vote than voted for any political party. So if you get those who do not normally vote to come out, well the odds are they absolutely will not vote for the right wing. The right wing is good at with russian trolling suppressing liberal voting. If these people do vote the right wing are in a lot of trouble. The right wing with the money again just given about a trillion dollars in tax breaks they have are good at motivating their base. But we know their base is not growing because of trump and he did not win popular vote either, so it is all suppression. again you better be worried if Sanders and so on can get more people voting that normally do not vote.

so if bernie and Miss Alex can get the ones that never vote to give a shiiite... because for some reasons vote surpression is very effective, but may not be because of how much trump and the right wing disgust americans with the russians...




next why look at the prosperous socialist nations, again the USA has so much socialism it is unreal. The military for one..

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nw30 wrote:
real-human wrote:

Idiot norway sweden, Japan, germany, holland and so on are so much more socialist than your listed Putin republics [Cuba and Venezuela]. I know you love what Putin does to countries.

I normally don't respond to you because you're just like Maxine Waters, worthless, but you mentioned some countries that the libs love to bring up.
I'll never understand why liberals like to bring up countries like that as some sort of model that our country should be trying to emulate, as if they are so much better than us, they are not. What's so special about western Europe (or similar), and why won't the people who believe that just move there if it's so much better? Hell, just take the multitude of celebs who have given some sort of statement like if he gets elected, I'm leaving the country, or if this passes, I'm leaving the country, none of them ever do, which is actually too bad, but it also proves my point.

So you libs out there go ahead and follow the lead of the "new face of the democrat party", as the head of the DNC, Tom Perez says, "Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez". It's going to be very entertaining for us in the center, and to the right of center.
A little something for your reading enjoyment.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/article215241865.html


why quote developed nations that are socialist... the G6

all of those nations are very socialistic and have greater present metrics in almost all cases than the USA. And most of them do not have huge natural reserves to prop up their income/revenues. They have surpassed the USA and have the strongest unions on the face of the planet. they have healthcare for almost if not all. They have in many free education all the way to being a PHD. Imagine that no dept walking out of college.

What is wrong with those metrics?

again the USA has vast natural resources and cannot keep up with the quality of life those nations, in general, provide for the members of their societies.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sometimes an older post works better than something new, just for you Dean.
nw30 wrote:
real-human wrote:
nw30 wrote:
BREAKING NEWS: Trump has just admitted that the secret meeting between he and Putin was all about grandchildren and golf.

Putin doesn't play golf of tic tac toe.

trump never had a thing to do about raising his kids till they were grown up so talking about grand children NOT.

But again he had an american in the room, so I do not think anything of importance was discussed that would be harmful to him. It is only when there is only the russian translator and no american one that there is a problem. Again he did that before to set up his back channel of how to communicate.

Hook, line, and sinker,,,,,,, you would bite at that. Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
You probably don't even know where that excuse came from.
Maybe your buddy mac can explain it to you, assuming he hasn't forgotten also.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nw30 wrote:
Sometimes an older post works better than something new, just for you Dean.


as normal not able to debate the points... please do cut and run... no right winger has ever been able to debate the points like these... they either cut and run like the cowards that they are, or they McVeigh...

here is another exaple of discraeful right wingers... crying victim... in this trump has been saying members of his team were survailed during the election... well daaa it was after he quit he was survailed and the right winger nunes did not een read the FISA application that the judge approved. It was only 400 pages of reasons why he could be a russian asset from 10-20 years worth of issues with this traitor.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/new-documents-shed-light-surveillance-former-trump-adviser?cid=eml_mra_20180723

New documents shed light on surveillance of former Trump adviser
07/23/18 08:30 AM
By Steve Benen
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Donald Trump’s congressional allies have invested a considerable amount of time and energy into a curious idea: U.S. surveillance of Carter Page, a foreign policy adviser to Donald Trump during his 2016 campaign, was an outrageous abuse. The argument has never really made any sense, but it was nevertheless the motivation behind the laughable “Nunes memo,” prepared by House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) and his team.

Over the weekend, the New York Times published a report on newly available materials that shed new light on the controversy.

The Trump administration disclosed on Saturday a previously top-secret set of documents related to the wiretapping of Carter Page, the onetime Trump campaign adviser who was at the center of highly contentious accusations by Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee that the F.B.I. had abused its surveillance powers.

On Saturday evening, those materials – an October 2016 application to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to wiretap Mr. Page, along with several renewal applications – were released to The New York Times and other news organizations that had filed Freedom of Information Act lawsuits to obtain them. Mr. Trump had declassified their existence earlier this year.

The president declassified them in order to help advance the since-discredited Nunes memo.

The fact that the FISA application, even in redacted form, is available to the public at all is an extraordinary development unto itself: U.S. officials have traditionally been reluctant to even mention the existence of documents such as these, much less release them. And yet, for the first time since the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act was passed 40 years ago, here it is.

The application documents the fact that the FBI considered Page – by October 2016, a former Trump foreign policy adviser – someone who’d been “the subject of targeted recruitment by the Russian government.”

The Times’ report added, “Visible portions showed that the F.B.I. in stark terms had told the intelligence court that Mr. Page ‘has established relationships with Russian government officials, including Russian intelligence officers’; that the bureau believed ‘the Russian government’s efforts are being coordinated with Page and perhaps other individuals associated with’ Mr. Trump’s campaign; and that Mr. Page ‘has been collaborating and conspiring with the Russian government.’”

Despite GOP claims, there was no abuse: four judges, each appointed by Republican presidents, signed off on the Page surveillance, persuaded that there was probable cause.


So why should you care? A few reasons.


https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/95-carter-page-fisa-documents-foia-release/full/optimized.pdf ,,

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

now come on right wingers this one shows without any doubt he needs to be in a psychotic ward. He is just insane. If you can back this you are a russian no doubt.

Donald Trump Tweets Unsubstantiated Claim Russia Wants Democrats To Win
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President Donald Trump is back on Twitter, and he has a new yarn to spin.
Contradicting both his own intelligence agencies and a verbatim statement made by Russian President Vladimir Putin last week, Trump claimed on Tuesday that Russia will “be pushing hard for the Democrats” in the upcoming election, and that “They definitely don’t want Trump.”
Trump’s claim earned an immediate rebuke from Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), who let the president debunk himself.
Facing blowback for the performance in which he sided with Russia over his own intelligence agencies, Trump said last Tuesday he “accepts” the U.S. intelligence findings that Russia meddled, before rejecting them again a day later.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

if true, trump is a criminallllllll liar is just his norm


he is an illegitimate president and Hillary should be placed in and supreme idiot removed...

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/26/politics/michael-cohen-donald-trump-june-2016-meeting-knowledge/index.html
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(CNN)Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump's former personal attorney, claims that then-candidate Trump knew in advance about the June 2016 meeting in Trump Tower in which Russians were expected to offer his campaign dirt on Hillary Clinton, sources with knowledge tell CNN. Cohen is willing to make that assertion to special counsel Robert Mueller, the sources said.

Cohen's claim would contradict repeated denials by Trump, Donald Trump Jr., their lawyers and other administration officials who have said that the President knew nothing about the Trump Tower meeting until he was approached about it by The New York Times in July 2017.
Cohen alleges that he was present, along with several others, when Trump was informed of the Russians' offer by Trump Jr. By Cohen's account, Trump approved going ahead with the meeting with the Russians, according to sources.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is my take on the subject...

let's see if someone is trolling trump....

Normally Trump would tweet something is a lie in a matter of milliseconds....

And he has not......

But seems Trump is waiting to get legal advice. Which would mean it is true... If it was not true he would have tweeted yesterday when the news broke by CNN.

IE he now knows that a lie on this subject is obstruction of justice so if he tweets his official answer at this point that it is a lie he will be found guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors.

Only Rudy has come out saying of all things Cohen is a serial liar of some sorts, the hypocrisy of that statement. I hope there is a hot place in Hell for Rudy too. So we know the president was aware of the statement shortly after CNN reported it. and no tweet...

It is the perfect Trolling on Trump...

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