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MalibuGuru



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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A Cambridge professor with deep ties to American and British intelligence has been outed as an agent who snooped on the Trump presidential campaign for the FBI.

Multiple media outlets have named Stefan Halper, 73, as the secret informant who met with Trump campaign advisers Carter Page and George Papadopoulos starting in the summer of 2016.

Busted bitch. Obama will be on the stand soon.
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mac



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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fool. He was a long time CIA operative, on the right. What crime was committed?
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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Fool", notice how his incessant name calling and labeling, adds so much gravitas and seriousness to his posts...……… bunker style delusion, as usual.
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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
Fool. He was a long time CIA operative, on the right. What crime was committed?


I'm glad you're okay with that. I'm sure you'll be smiling when Trump does this to his eventual opponent.

PS Mac, you're nobody with that filthy mouth and disposition
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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand the playbook. When faced with overwhelming evidence of Trump corruption, quickly post a "Johnny did it too", or "Johnny did it worse" talking point from right wing media. They send it to you directly, it doesn't take any work--or thinking.

Bard's source here appears to be the NY Post. https://nypost.com/2018/05/19/cambridge-professor-outed-as-fbi-informant-inside-trump-campaign/

This what Media Bias says about their reliability:

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Notes: The New York Post is a daily tabloid type newspaper from New York City. This source can swing very far to the right, but does occasionally provide a balanced account. The New York Post typically uses very sensational headlines such as: It’s time for Bill Clinton to take a walk in the Chappaqua woods. They also have a questionable record with fact checkers. The New York Post is not a very credible news source.


Stefan Halper is a conservative who served served as a White House official in the Nixon, Ford, and Reagan administrations. You can get a more balanced sense of what his background is, and his connections here: http://www.newsweek.com/wh-stefan-halper-cambridge-professor-named-fbis-russia-probe-secret-source-935515


Of course, at this time the two men that Halper met with, Carter Page and George Papadopoulos, were under suspicion by the FBI. Carter Page had met with a Russian spy in 2013, so he was clearly on the FBI radar. And, as laid out in his plea-deal, Papadopoulos was being recruited by Russia. Here from a former CIA official from last October after the plea bargain was unsealed:

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The facts as laid out in the newly unsealed plea agreement between special counsel Robert S. Mueller III and George Papadopoulos, a former foreign policy adviser to President Trump’s campaign, do not provide a slam-dunk case that the Trump team was colluding with the Russian government. But to a former CIA officer like me, everything Papadopoulos admitted in the plea deal looks consistent with the modus operandi of the Russian intelligence services engaged in an “active measures” covert operation. So what might the Russians have been up to with Papadopoulos?

Since late last year, when the U.S. intelligence community issued a formal assessment on Russian involvement in the campaign, it is clear that the Russian government was intent on influencing the outcome of the election on Trump’s behalf. Trump had already stated policy positions that were much more favorable to Russia than Hillary Clinton or the Obama administration’s stances — he had questioned NATO’s relevance, played down Russia’s annexation of Crimea, contemplated reviewing Western sanctions on Russia and so forth. So helping Trump would be a reasonable Russian covert action goal. Over the past months, several elements of this wide-ranging operation have emerged, such as the extensive use of propaganda from Russian-sponsored news media (for example, RT and Sputnik) and the manipulation of social media platforms such as Facebook, Google and Twitter in an attempt to influence U.S. voters. The Russian hacking of Democratic National Committee computer servers — and the subsequent release of thousands of stolen emails — has raised the specter of even more involved Russian cyber operations, and it is still not entirely clear how far the Russians may have gotten into actual voting machines and voter registrations databases at the state level.

And with Monday’s news, we now have greater clarity on yet another part of the Russian operation: how a Trump foreign policy aide was lured into contact with Moscow. The Papadopoulos indictment tells a story containing several elements consistent with how Russian intelligence (and in this case, most likely the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service, the SVR) operates. According to the indictment, Papadopoulos was living in London when an as-yet-unidentified professor there became interested in Papadopoulos after learning that he had a foreign policy role in Trump’s campaign. Papadopoulos, in turn, became interested in the professor’s claimed Moscow contacts, and the two apparently communicated substantially in pursuit of this mutual interest.


Hmm, there's the link to the at time unknown Halper, who was apparently looking to return to a Republican administration. The fact that he took what he found out to the FBI is pretty interesting--not evidence of some deep-state infiltration of the Trump campaign. The FBI kept the investigation of the Trump team secret--unlike the Clinton e-mail investigation--and in the process likely handed the POTUS to Trump.

What would NW call someone who posts biased drivel out of context instead of a fool? Do you have a more accurate term?
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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:


What would NW call someone who posts biased drivel out of context instead of a fool? Do you have a more accurate term?

Nothing at all, I don't use your childish playbook.
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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pay no attention to the facts, quickly post something else, continue to believe Trump tweets, no matter how many lies he has been caught in.

NW would say Yanny if Trump said it--no matter what he heard.
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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac's posted story:

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The facts as laid out in the newly unsealed plea agreement between special counsel Robert S. Mueller III and George Papadopoulos, a former foreign policy adviser to President Trump’s campaign, do not provide a slam-dunk case that the Trump team was colluding with the Russian government. But to a former CIA officer like me, everything Papadopoulos admitted in the plea deal looks consistent with the modus operandi of the Russian intelligence services engaged in an “active measures” covert operation. So what might the Russians have been up to with Papadopoulos?

Since late last year, when the U.S. intelligence community issued a formal assessment on Russian involvement in the campaign, it is clear that the Russian government was intent on influencing the outcome of the election on Trump’s behalf. Trump had already stated policy positions that were much more favorable to Russia than Hillary Clinton or the Obama administration’s stances — he had questioned NATO’s relevance, played down Russia’s annexation of Crimea, contemplated reviewing Western sanctions on Russia and so forth. So helping Trump would be a reasonable Russian covert action goal. Over the past months, several elements of this wide-ranging operation have emerged, such as the extensive use of propaganda from Russian-sponsored news media (for example, RT and Sputnik) and the manipulation of social media platforms such as Facebook, Google and Twitter in an attempt to influence U.S. voters. The Russian hacking of Democratic National Committee computer servers — and the subsequent release of thousands of stolen emails — has raised the specter of even more involved Russian cyber operations, and it is still not entirely clear how far the Russians may have gotten into actual voting machines and voter registrations databases at the state level.

And with Monday’s news, we now have greater clarity on yet another part of the Russian operation: how a Trump foreign policy aide was lured into contact with Moscow. The Papadopoulos indictment tells a story containing several elements consistent with how Russian intelligence (and in this case, most likely the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service, the SVR) operates. According to the indictment, Papadopoulos was living in London when an as-yet-unidentified professor there became interested in Papadopoulos after learning that he had a foreign policy role in Trump’s campaign. Papadopoulos, in turn, became interested in the professor’s claimed Moscow contacts, and the two apparently communicated substantially in pursuit of this mutual interest.



This story starts out with:
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The facts as laid out in the newly unsealed plea agreement

And then as you read along, the naïve get sucked in and swallow the story as a bunch of facts. The highlighted elements in the story pretty much suggest that SPECULTION is the what the story is all about. There are facts, but buy themselves, they are pretty benign, so the story only comes alive with innuendo and speculation.
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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Techno—you went right by the outing of Halper to rant about no smoking guns that tie back to Trump. It is entirely possible that Trump is stupid enough, or intentionally inattentive enough, to have been unaware of what his campaign staff was doing. The money-raising aspect of campaigns is frequently so sleazy that the candidates look the other way. May be true here. The campaign team may have dangled relief from the Magnisky Act, which is the prize the Russian government was looking for, without any intention of delivering, without the ability to deliver, or without Trump’s knowledge. But there’s too much smoke for me to believe it.

The evidence is much clearer on Halper. Claims that he was a spy embedded by the FBI to undermine the Trump campaign are clearly nonsense. He is an experienced foreign policy advisor who served under three Republican presidents. Whatever he learned from talking with Trump campaign staff, whatever his initial motive may have been, so unnerved him he went to the FBI. Put that in your denial pipe and smoke it.
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MalibuGuru



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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who's Johnny?

PS Mac, Snopes is incredibly biased, but that doesn't stop you from using it.
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