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killogramm



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok first, there is rigging video on youtube. I rig two sails every time I go windsurfing, one for me one for my wife. Rigging time for one sail including pumping air is under 10 min. Waterstart is no problem at all, because sail floats. In windy conditions it separates from the water on its own ,You actually have to hold it down to prevent accidental take off. Sail very crash resistant because doesn't have any hard connections inside. I'ts much easier to jibe due proper aerodynamics , powers up after jibe quick and soft. I create product that is superior to what you have now, in all aspects.
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killogramm



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

joethewindsufa wrote:
you ship from NJ ??
max sail is 5.8 meters ?
at that price does it come with mast ?
if not - flex, cc or hard top ??
if i visit Long Island or CT - can go to NJ and try one ??
thanks
joe windsurfer
Joe, I always have spare sail in my car, all we need is windy day and you present on the beach.
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killogramm



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darbonne wrote:
Anyone ever seen one, or tried one? In my limited windsurfing experience I have never seen one at all. Is the principal similar to the wings that are used on the AC boats. The Vestas speed sailing craft also used a wing. Seems like it would be less stable to me. Just curious.
ask NJ windsurfing association, they have plenty members who have seen my sail in action.
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killogramm



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

zirtaeb wrote:
Every 10 years...
you remain skeptical
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killogramm



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

zirtaeb wrote:
Joke.
America Cup sails have 309 million bucks of design and can't be sailed in 28 knots wind.
they can but they develop limit rules after fatality in one of their crashes. And every time they crash -million backs flash in the toilet. Besides americas cup sail is symmetrical with flap. My sail is totally asymmetrical.
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killogramm



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

westender wrote:
LOL. I admire his ingenuity but if it was free at a swap meet I wouldn't take it. I do ok with the sails I have. To prove I'm not a hater here's the link to his video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53Av9QvZ8Ig
This is what they say when parabolic skis where invented.
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killogramm



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

swchandler wrote:
I have to say that the MWsails.com website only offers me a blank screen, but that might be problems with my computer. That aside (with the help of other's research), I find the overall design is novel, and performance-wise, it might offer decided advantages. Only time will tell where the ideas catch on in the marketplace.

Yet, the testy issues that come to mind are rigging in less than optimal conditions. In any strong blowing dirt and sand environment, the rigging process could bedevil all your best efforts, particularly taking it apart wet without ending up with a bit of disaster. Needless to say, everything must be totally clean the next time you rig.
Have you seen the place where I rig? Its dirt, rocks and some occasional grass. You know every time I look at European websites, they rig on the tarp. Make me jealous.
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killogramm



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LUCARO wrote:
It took foils ten years to take off

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oyWMusaDTI

just saying...
I know, even longer in America. They all skeptical, look at this tread....
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LUCARO



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

killogramm wrote:
LUCARO wrote:
It took foils ten years to take off

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oyWMusaDTI

just saying...
I know, even longer in America. They all skeptical, look at this tread....


Nothing ventured, nothing gained..

who would have thought people would find a completely inflatable rig

https://www.kingofwatersports.com/product?productid=fanatic-irig-one&group=US
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alap



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

killogramm wrote:
Ok , sail is totally asymmetrical, one side is flat and another side curved. I know it is hard to imagine but what can I say. .... Also there is pictures and videos. On I will post a picture here , just to ad cherry on the top.


may be...
tough to see when there are no pictures at all. I mean good quality 3D pictures, not a side view of a sail along the brick wall

so, when you rig it in zero wind - it is not symmetrical? ??
so it has preferred side?

or it is not symmetrical only when under the load?
and in this case once filled with wind it doesn't change the shape when wind changes?

Also, if the windward side of the sail is flat and the leeward is curved doesn't that mean that one has a bigger surface than another? so after you jibe it has to be other way around....

Regardless, you may have an interesting product, but your presentation is awful, sorry to say.
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