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swchandler
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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Where's the actual proof that President Obama wiretapped Trump Tower? Did I miss something? |
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nw30
Joined: 21 Dec 2008 Posts: 6485 Location: The eye of the universe, Cen. Cal. coast
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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boggsman1 wrote: | Manafort is a dirty rotten scoundrel who was making $12MM /yr lobbying FOR a Pro-Russia faction of the Ukraine Govt, against the interests of the United States, and then ran a political campaign for the current US president. His sidekick Michael Flynn did the same ...another lying dirty rotten scoundrel....both should have been wiretapped.
...and you will soon learn that the FBI had a FISA warrant.. |
Hoping for heads to roll?
The question will be which head will roll first, James Clapper who lied about wire tapping, James Comey who lied about wire tapping, or Manafort the "dirty rotten scoundrel"?
That has all of a sudden become a tough call. |
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boggsman1
Joined: 24 Jun 2002 Posts: 9120 Location: at a computer
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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nw30 wrote: | boggsman1 wrote: | Manafort is a dirty rotten scoundrel who was making $12MM /yr lobbying FOR a Pro-Russia faction of the Ukraine Govt, against the interests of the United States, and then ran a political campaign for the current US president. His sidekick Michael Flynn did the same ...another lying dirty rotten scoundrel....both should have been wiretapped.
...and you will soon learn that the FBI had a FISA warrant.. |
Hoping for heads to roll?
The question will be which head will roll first, James Clapper who lied about wire tapping, James Comey who lied about wire tapping, or Manafort the "dirty rotten scoundrel"?
That has all of a sudden become a tough call. |
Go back and look at James Clapper's interview, there's wiggle room. If lying were a disqualifier the entire Trump administration wouldn't exist, especially Trump.
whats troubling to me is that Tribal Republicans are more concerned with the media , than the fact that a former campaign chair for the current president, got paid ( a ton) by the Pro-Russian Communist faction of the Ukraine GOVT, in direct opposition to the interests of the US...
...and ... NO, I'm not looking for heads to roll.. I'm a money grubbing capitalist, and as long as the market is "on fire", I'm fine. |
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mac
Joined: 07 Mar 1999 Posts: 17747 Location: Berkeley, California
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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MalibuGuru wrote: | Trump's right again |
Too funny. You mean the FISA wire-tapping of Manafort, who will be indicted unless he can throw someone higher on the criminal chain under the bus?
The only Republicans to oppose FISA warrants were Lee, Murkowski, and Rand Paul. This was a Bush Cheney idea that I considered unconstitutional at the time, and it is kind of sweet to see it used against the criminal family now using the White House to steal from the American and Russian people. |
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MalibuGuru
Joined: 11 Nov 1993 Posts: 9300
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Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:46 am Post subject: |
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swchandler wrote: | Where's the actual proof that President Obama wiretapped Trump Tower? Did I miss something? |
The entire administration was corrupt. Give this a couple of months. |
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real-human
Joined: 02 Jul 2011 Posts: 14879 Location: on earth
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Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:30 am Post subject: |
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nw30 wrote: | boggsman1 wrote: |
already fact? |
Yes, but irrelevant, Trump was correct. |
manafort is not trump.
Manafort was wiretapped under FISA in or about 2014 is when it started, trump was not running for office and Manafort had never met trump.
He was wiretapped for money-laundering of dictator regimes illegal stealing of countries money. Specifically for the dictator of Ukraine stealing the people of Ukraine money and he assisted it appears. _________________ when good people stay silent the right wing are the only ones heard. |
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real-human
Joined: 02 Jul 2011 Posts: 14879 Location: on earth
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Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:34 am Post subject: |
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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/09/five-questions-about-the-manafort-investigation/540270/
Quote: | 3. What gave investigators probable cause to obtain a FISA warrant?
To obtain a FISA warrant to target a U.S. citizen, a federal investigator must demonstrate to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, a secretive tribunal in Washington, why he or she thinks the target is acting on behalf of a foreign government. If that standard is met, the court authorizes 90 days of surveillance, which can be renewed as long as the government can demonstrate its utility.
Stephen Vladeck, a University of Texas law professor, said it was a “big deal” that investigators had reportedly secured a FISA warrant against Manafort. “It means not only that the government thought it had probable cause that he was acting as an agent of a foreign power, but that it convinced a FISA judge that it was right,” he explained. “One can only speculate as to what evidence provided the basis for such a probable cause showing, but it certainly does not augur well for Manafort.”
4. With whom was Manafort talking during the time period he was under surveillance?
Obtaining a FISA warrant could give federal investigators access to a wealth of communications made by Manafort during the 90-day periods it authorized. That surveillance may answer some questions about possible Trump-Kremlin lines of communication and whether they existed. A tantalizing Times article in May reported that U.S. intelligence agencies had captured communications between Russian political and intelligence officials during the summer of 2016 in which they discussed ways to influence the Trump campaign. According to the Times’ descriptions of the intercepts, those conversations focused on reaching out to Manafort and Michael Flynn. |
_________________ when good people stay silent the right wing are the only ones heard. |
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MalibuGuru
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Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:45 am Post subject: |
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When the government wants to convict you of a crime, they will do anything with all the resources available to the government, justice be damned! Mueller now reaching back 11 years to find something indictable on Mamaforth. Do you think this is what his appointment to investigate 'Russia collusion' had in mind or is Mueller, representing 'the deep state' is just trying to find anything to hit a Trump associate with?
Special Counsel Robert Mueller's team is reaching back more than a decade in its investigation of Paul Manafort, a sign of the pressure Mueller is placing on President Donald Trump's former campaign chairman. The FBI's warrant for a July search of Manafort's Alexandria, Virginia, home said the investigation centered on possible crimes committed as far back as January 2006, according to a source briefed on the investigation The broad time frame is the latest indication that Mueller's team is going well beyond Russian meddling during the campaign as part of its investigation of Trump campaign associates. Manafort, who has been the subject of an FBI investigation for three years, has emerged as a focal point for Mueller. The search, an unusually hard-nosed tactic in a probe that centers on possible tax and financial crimes, began before dawn as Manafort and his wife lay in bed, according to sources briefed on the matter.
FBI agents entered with guns drawn and insisted on searching Kathleen Manafort for weapons, a standard part of FBI searches but a jarring event for the Manaforts, the sources said.
Mueller's team has warned Manafort that they are working to charge him with possible tax and financial crimes, the sources said, an indication the investigation could be in an advanced stage.
Justice Department prosecutors concluded last year that there wasn't enough evidence to bring charges against Manafort or any of the other US subjects in the Ukraine probe, according to sources briefed on the investigation. A spokesman for the special counsel declined to comment. Mueller's team could be facing a deadline if they want to bring charges arising from older tax returns: The six-year statute of limitations for Manafort's taxes filed in 2011 expires October 15. They already may be too late for the years prior to 2011. But the government could have more time depending on the exact nature of the charges that it wants to bring. The period mentioned in the search warrant covers much of the decade that Manafort worked as a consultant for Ukraine's former ruling party. It's that work, which extended beyond the ouster of the president, Viktor Yanukovych, amid street protests in 2014, that prompted the FBI's interest in Manafort. Yanukovych's Party of Regions was accused of corruption and the FBI sought to learn whether the American consultants hired by the Ukrainian party, which also included Mercury LLC and the Podesta Group, were involved. The Justice Department probe also looked into whether the US firms violated the federal law that requires registration under the Foreign Agents Registration Act. |
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boggsman1
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Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:57 am Post subject: |
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Steve...do we need to list the thousands of Americans that died fighting communism, and other factions of foreign governments? Paul Manafort made a career being a political in-between for foreign politicians looking to curry favor with the US. His most lucrative job was for the Ukraine. AND , he just happened to be Trumps campaign chair for 6 months....as dirty as it gets , if one believes that Russian assistance was part of DJT's ticket to the White House. |
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real-human
Joined: 02 Jul 2011 Posts: 14879 Location: on earth
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Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:00 am Post subject: |
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MalibuGuru wrote: | When the government wants to convict you of a crime, they will do anything with all the resources available to the government, justice be damned! Mueller now reaching back 11 years to find something indictable on Mamaforth. Do you think this is what his appointment to investigate 'Russia collusion' had in mind or is Mueller, representing 'the deep state' is just trying to find anything to hit a Trump associate with?
Special Counsel Robert Mueller's team is reaching back more than a decade in its investigation of Paul Manafort, a sign of the pressure Mueller is placing on President Donald Trump's former campaign chairman. The FBI's warrant for a July search of Manafort's Alexandria, Virginia, home said the investigation centered on possible crimes committed as far back as January 2006, according to a source briefed on the investigation The broad time frame is the latest indication that Mueller's team is going well beyond Russian meddling during the campaign as part of its investigation of Trump campaign associates. Manafort, who has been the subject of an FBI investigation for three years, has emerged as a focal point for Mueller. The search, an unusually hard-nosed tactic in a probe that centers on possible tax and financial crimes, began before dawn as Manafort and his wife lay in bed, according to sources briefed on the matter.
FBI agents entered with guns drawn and insisted on searching Kathleen Manafort for weapons, a standard part of FBI searches but a jarring event for the Manaforts, the sources said.
Mueller's team has warned Manafort that they are working to charge him with possible tax and financial crimes, the sources said, an indication the investigation could be in an advanced stage.
Justice Department prosecutors concluded last year that there wasn't enough evidence to bring charges against Manafort or any of the other US subjects in the Ukraine probe, according to sources briefed on the investigation. A spokesman for the special counsel declined to comment. Mueller's team could be facing a deadline if they want to bring charges arising from older tax returns: The six-year statute of limitations for Manafort's taxes filed in 2011 expires October 15. They already may be too late for the years prior to 2011. But the government could have more time depending on the exact nature of the charges that it wants to bring. The period mentioned in the search warrant covers much of the decade that Manafort worked as a consultant for Ukraine's former ruling party. It's that work, which extended beyond the ouster of the president, Viktor Yanukovych, amid street protests in 2014, that prompted the FBI's interest in Manafort. Yanukovych's Party of Regions was accused of corruption and the FBI sought to learn whether the American consultants hired by the Ukrainian party, which also included Mercury LLC and the Podesta Group, were involved. The Justice Department probe also looked into whether the US firms violated the federal law that requires registration under the Foreign Agents Registration Act. |
you idiot the ULTRA partisan with no experience Starr team went to 10-20 years back on the clintons.. And took him and all what 7 years of investigating and not one grand jury indictment. And that was after the first partisan right winger independent counsel found no wrongdoing. On a land deal that they lost money on is what he was brought in on.
You idiot an independent counsel was appointed on Jimmy Carter's peanut farm in a blind trust.
and for trump yes it should be broadened into raping of children and drug dealing and dealing with Mafia members, illegal pay offs and so on. lying on tax returns use of money to charities embezzeled and so on.
Or are you in favor of allowing rape of children? ...
I want a independent council that is an ultra partisan liberal that will go for the juggler on all of trumps crimes and all that even remotely lied for trump in crimes.. Not a right winger who does not go after trumps pediophilia.... _________________ when good people stay silent the right wing are the only ones heard. |
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