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windfind



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eric Blake, a hurricane specialist at the National Hurricane Center says that for the first time in modern history, as you can see in the satellite image below, three hurricanes are lined up to make landfall.

The National Hurricane Center has issued advisories on Hurricane Irma , Hurricane Jose, 700 miles east of the Lesser Antilles, and Hurricane Katia in the Gulf of Mexico.

The Atlantic experienced three simultaneous hurricanes in 2010 but this is the first time that three hurricanes this close to making landfall about the same time

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gerritt



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fake News. Climate change is cooked up by liberals to sell emergency supplies and make us give up our way of life! Pass me my rifle while I gas up the Hummer. Who cares about a little weather? We have to Make America Great Again!

I generally avoid politics on this sight, but I cannot ignore the fact these storms are bashing the core conservative states over the head and folks like Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh are still denying the obvious in favor of blaming lesbians and liberals instead of dealing with reality. Whether you think the changes are brought about by human activity or natural (despite all evidence to the contrary), we should be embracing conservation and alternative energy. We may not be able to stop what has already begun, but we don't have to throw more fuel on the file - coal is not clean and beautiful, its dirty and outdated. Instead the Donald pulled out of the Paris Accord and now China will become the new energy and technology leaders, while the US lags behind. Stupid is as Stupid does.

I windsurf to leave my problems on shore for a couple of hours. Our new weather, whatever the source, is making it harder to do that. So I'm left to rage at the universe like the rest of the talk show idiots.
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airwave



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's an old saying: Everybody talks about the weather but nobody does anything about it.
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mac



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Temperatures in the Atlantic--and heat feeds these two hurricanes--are as much as 6 degrees Centigrade higher than normal.
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andydavis



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gerritt wrote:
...but I cannot ignore the fact these storms are bashing the core conservative states over the head and folks like Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh are still denying the obvious in favor of blaming lesbians and liberals ... talk show idiots.


One of the high emotional points of my life happened about five years ago or so. A tornado blew into a small town in Georgia (or Alabammy...somewhere down there) and smashed a church, smashed another church, smashed another church, the skipped a strip club, smashed another church, and then yet another church.

There was a teevee interview with a plaintive towns-person who cried, "Why Lord, Why?!"
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tstizzle



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
Temperatures in the Atlantic--and heat feeds these two hurricanes--are as much as 6 degrees Centigrade higher than normal.


Ummmmm... methinks you should check the math on that one... last i heard the ocean temps were higher, but more like 2~3 degrees fahrenheit. (aside from the ambiguity of irrelative points on the celsius scale)
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mac



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My source: https://robertscribbler.com/2016/07/20/record-hot-atlantic-basin-to-fuel-brutish-2016-hurricanes/

Clearly there is anomalous heat for both Irma and Jose to blow up so fast, but I haven't been able to find much in the way of detail. NOAA has very detailed data that is used to produce the map shown in the above site, and when all the debris settles, scientists will spend a lot of time looking at the different heat level this year in some detail. It is hard to compare this year's storms with Hugo and Andrew, or Katrina, because although those were huge hurricanes we don't have the level of detail of heating and winds that we do of this years.

We do know that there was also a large anomaly in the Texas nearshore water that fueled the hurricane and increased the water content.
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