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dvCali



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
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One of the clear drawbacks of narrow and small boards like big slalom boards is that they are much less roll stable and twitchy. Thus, more falls and more unpredictable falls. Steve Sylvester and Anders both learned on one--but both now foil on meter wide boards, and strongly advised me to use my formula board.

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It just does not seem to be the trend. The largest hydrofoil specific racing boards are from JP, Starboard and RRD and they are all at 86-91. Non-racing hydrofoil specific boards are narrower yet by 10-15 cm.

And frankly if to hydrofoil I had to get a Formula board I would forget the whole affair in a blink! A 1 meter wide board plus a 1 meter long mast attached to its bottom? No thank you Shocked Shocked Shocked
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bert



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

foil gear does take up a lot of space..


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The van before foiling..6 boards, dozen sails, etc.


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prevett



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

While windsurfing at Ned's Point near Cape Cod, there was a guy on a Horque dedicated foiling board with the foil.

Difficulty: He's an experienced windsurfer who wanted to try out foiling. His first comment was that it's harder than it looks, and after a few months, it's still a work in progress for him.

Weeds: Ned's Point does have lots of loose sea grass in the water. Some people use weed fins, but I am usually OK with a swept back fin there. With his foil, he hasn't really had any problems picking up weeds. Surprising, but good to hear that.

Obstructions: He told me a funny story about foiling down the harbor when he sailed into a school of pogies (menhaden). They are small schooling fish around 3 to 5 inches long. His foil starting hitting the fish, he then crashed from the multiple small impacts, followed by dead and/or stunned pogies popping up to the surface around him. Pogies are typically not a problem with standard windsurf fins.
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ShreddinEd



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

zirtaeb wrote:
Guess you missed all those Laird videos of him foil riding on a overhead sized wave.


Yeah, I did. Post a link.

Most of the places I wave sail are in pretty shallow water, not sure a foil is gonna work in those situs.
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dllee



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think most foil rider's would kick out of a wave once the water get's less than 4' deep.
They aren't foiling in 2 feet shorebreak surf.
Do a search, life should not be made easy for everyone.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bert....
While you do have 4 sails and a foil board, that doesn't take care of winds over 25 mph.
So, you gotta add a windsurf board for 20-30, and another one for 28+ wind conditions, which would make your van rather crowded if you choose to leave the foil in your board full time.
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dvCali



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

zirtaeb wrote:
Bert....
While you do have 4 sails and a foil board, that doesn't take care of winds over 25 mph.
So, you gotta add a windsurf board for 20-30, and another one for 28+ wind conditions, which would make your van rather crowded if you choose to leave the foil in your board full time.

Come now: 2 regular boards and 4 sails cover a 20 knots wind range easily. 3 boards and 5 sails do more of the same with luxury. You really do not need anything more than that.

An Hydrofoil might buy you range below 12 knots, but only if we actually had steady wind in that range in the Bay Area, which we do not ... comfort and the allure of a different type of sailing is a different story ...


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dllee



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Six is fine if you can afford it, and you sail different venues.
If you only sail at Candlestick and Crissy, one 90 liter bump board can take care of most everything.
Most sailors have one wave board, two if that is your thing.
Most sailors have moderate wind bump n jump boards, one floaty, one not.
Most sailors would have a slalom board, light wind and heavier winds.
Some sailors choose a light wind board, like those SLW's around 80-90 wide.
Some sailors like to dabble in Formula.
Some sailors like freestyle boards, mostly one, but sometimes two.
That's more than 2 in your car right there.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

zirtaeb wrote:
Six is fine if you can afford it, and you sail different venues.
If you only sail at Candlestick and Crissy, one 90 liter bump board can take care of most everything.
Most sailors have one wave board, two if that is your thing.
Most sailors have moderate wind bump n jump boards, one floaty, one not.
Most sailors would have a slalom board, light wind and heavier winds.
Some sailors choose a light wind board, like those SLW's around 80-90 wide.
Some sailors like to dabble in Formula.
Some sailors like freestyle boards, mostly one, but sometimes two.
That's more than 2 in your car right there.


We are taking about range, not duplicating boards because you want to have the option of trying a different one sometimes, or buying as many as you can just because ... you can. Why stop at six then? Eight would be better, right?

Two or three boards and a handful of modern sails cover a huge range, easily all we encounter in the Bay Area. You do not need a fleet!
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