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atlas.wave55



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 6:13 pm    Post subject: Earliest you have got planning in light wind? Reply with quote

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I am interested to hear some discussion on the earliest you have got panning in light wind and the board you were on and sail. Obviously the better equipment, technique you have and weight all play a key role in planning in light wind.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who and how the wind speed is judged are as critical as your stated components.

The results should be interesting

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 10:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Earliest you have got planning in light wind? Reply with quote

10 MPH is about it for me at 180 lbs with a 9.5 Retro, Angulo Sumo 155 ltr,
and a 50CM fin. Requires a lot of ooching and pumping, but can be
maintained once you're over your bow wake.

-Craig

atlas.wave55 wrote:
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I am interested to hear some discussion on the earliest you have got panning in light wind and the board you were on and sail. Obviously the better equipment, technique you have and weight all play a key role in planning in light wind.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

opposing currents help lots.

opposing surf helps even more. that's called either cross offshore or side off.

flat water, no current or surf, and very little chop?

9mph 12.5 formula board and 70cm fin. note, i quit formula shortly after double luff sails started to become the staple in that app.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flat water, 16 mph, 6.0 north infinity 8ft6 92l naish.mistral wave. 175 lb wt. Fun, for a bit but boring, dont want to go into a gybe going much fater than the wind speed. Go out in waves in stupid light wind but i would not count wave riding as planing. Saw an 8,5 and 9.5 in the back of someones truck 2 days ago, kalmus of all places, whats the point of bringing both sailboat sails if ur not racing? Jp
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look for threads on Formula boards and you will see lots of discussion.

All play a roll in early planing:
1. Board volume and width
2. Fin length
3. Sail size, plus type (race or RAF)
4. Sailor weight, and pumping skills
5. Fresh or salt water
6. Tides and wind direction
7. Chop and relation to a beam reach (it's easier to plane into chop rather than on the backs of the chop. This assumes the wind is not perpendicular to the waves/chop which is pretty common. Of course, in 12 mph winds (10 knots), it's not chop bit ripples, just beginning to form small caps.

With that said, on my Starboard 160, 70cm Reboichet R13 fin, and 11.0 Maui TR4 race sail and vigorous pumping, I can plane in 11-12 mph winds (10knots). I weight 167 (76kg). It's possible that I can plane in one knot less, but with no small caps on the water, it's hard to know the wind speed. I have sailed/owned formula boards for the last 15 years.

Formula pros say they can plane in 7-8 knots with 11.0- 12.5 m sails. Staying on plane is a different thing, any holes and it's slogging.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for that IMPORTANT clarification techno900

is it safe to say:

at 8 knots "planing" it needs to be a light weight or trained Formula sailor
with 10 knots and some pumping technique on BIG board, planing is no longer limited to the light weights and experts
12 knots and things start to get interesting
14 knots and it starts to get easier to plane
16 and we are all off ...

Jean-Marc on SB forum says ...
" From what I've observed since many years is that you need about 1 knot of more wind for each 10 kg of body weight to start and sustain the planing. You also need 1 m2 of more sail for each 10 kg of body weight to start and sustain the planing. This translates as a 65 kg rider could plane as of 10 knots of wind with a 8.6 m2 and as soon as a 75 kg rider with a 9.5 m2 sail. This also translates as a 65 kg rider could plane in 9 knots of wind with a 9.5 sail or in 10 knots of wind with a 8.6 or in 11 knots of wind with a 7.7 m2 sail, all on the same iSonic 117 Wide (48, 44, 40 cm fin, respectively). "
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Earliest I have gotten planing in light wind is 7:02 AM.

Aren't I funny?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

whitevan01 wrote:
Earliest I have gotten planing in light wind is 7:02 AM.

Aren't I funny?


But if I planed at Cape Town at 0702.. That could be earlier that you, depending on your time zone..

Dave Letterman funny.. Nah, curiously funny.
Good one..!

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