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loopless



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maui vs Baja is a choice between vastly different experiences. Baja can be much cheaper to both fly and stay. Culturally it is far more interesting in Baja as I find Maui is pretty much ugly US strip malls in paradise ( with the added bonus of unfriendly locals). El Nino might shut down the sailing in Baja this winter though, but there is plenty of other things to do ( e.g. swim with whale sharks in La Paz, visit the incredible Cabo Pulmo marine park etc).
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swchandler



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

loopless, maybe on your next trip to Maui you should stay on the northshore to improve your experience. To really make things sweet, I highly recommend renting a place at the beach. That way you're always rigged and ready to go, and you don't have to drive around unless you want to.
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scottwerden



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baja is a definitely a different experience than Maui. But if you stay in LV or LB it is not exactly a cultural experience, more like a bunch of American sports junkies living in Mexico and a bunch of businesses that cater to them. But it depends on what one is looking for. I am just pointing out that there are other options for a winter windsurfing trip.
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kazzo



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gosh, it's 8:30 a.m here in LV/ES, the wind's been up all night, and on my wind meter it's already blowing into the low 20s. To the person who said something about "flat water," um, you obviously haven't sailed here.
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dllee



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, some people delineate "flat water", and wave sailing only.
Wave sailing is Hookipa, Backyards, DiamondHead, so LV is flat water.
Some people even say Sylt, Mahalapuu, as "flat water".
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MrFish



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A couple of things

1. The prediction of a low wind season by iwindsurf, looks pretty stupid at this point, it's been blowing for 2 weeks, peaking at probably 40 yesterday (which shows how low the sensor here reads) and it looks to continue maybe even stronger next week.

2. Waves? Yes sometimes, by anyone's definition like yesterday, but mostly count on bump and jump.
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windfind



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mr. Fish: A couple of things
1. The prediction of a low wind season by iwindsurf, looks pretty stupid at this point, its been blowing for 2 weeks, peaking at probably 40 yesterday (which shows how low the sensor here reads) and it looks to continue maybe even stronger next week.


Hi Mr. Fish,

A couple of things:

1. The “forecast” was for this coming winter season which is still over a month away. Right now it is fall.

2. El Nino will not begin to impact the Baja's East Cape weather or wind until this winter.

3. The recent strong north winds on Baja's East Cape are more akin to Santa Ana winds and have a very different cause than the winter El Norte winds that El Nino typically impacts.

4. There was not a iwindsurf forecast for a La Ventana low wind winter season. Rather the forum post was my personal reading based upon what I have seen El Nino do to the Baja average winter winds over the last 45 years and what the climate models are predicting for this winter.

5. My personal observation was not a “forecast. It is impossible to make a useful wind forecast more than 3 days out. Rather I was noting that a Baja climate shift is likely this coming winter. And that El Nino usually means more rain in Baja Norte. And in Baja Sur it usually means more cloudy days and weaker AVERAGE wind.

That does not mean we won’t have some epic winter wind days and some long spells of upper teens to low 20’s days. It just means that there will probably be fewer such days than in a really good year.

So if you are there all winter you will definitely be kiting or windsurfing a good bit. But if you keep a log you will probably find that the wind is weaker and less frequent on the average. And if you are coming down for a short trip you have a greater probability of arriving in a weak wind period.

6. Lastly, we do agree that La Ventana sometimes has surf as you can see in the images below. But it usually has great medium to large swell.

Calling swell, like you see in the 2nd image, "flat water" takes an interesting mental contortion.

Mike Godsey
iwindsurf.com/ikitesurf.com
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MrFish



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty typical to move the goalposts.
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windfind



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Pretty typical to move the goalposts.


Hi Mr. Fish,

Uhh. The title of this entire thread is Xmas in Baja?? and my post about El Nino was addressing that winter time period not fall winds.

We are not even close to that Xmas goal post. So there was no need to move it.

Why not just enjoy the wind rather than calling someones thoughts stupid?

Mike Godsey
iwindsurf.com/ikitesurf.com
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MrFish



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

windfind wrote:
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Pretty typical to move the goalposts.


Hi Mr. Fish,

Uhh. The title of this entire thread is Xmas in Baja?? and my post about El Nino was addressing that winter time period not fall winds.

We are not even close to that Xmas goal post. So there was no need to move it.

Why not just enjoy the wind rather than calling someones thoughts stupid?


Weatheflow.com


El Nino has already started though. The last big El Nino (1997) was thought of as a very good year in Baja, by the way due to winter storms.

And the 'fall winds' we are experiencing are in fact winter El Norte storms. That's what they are, and that's why it's a moving the goalpost to say 'well, I didn't mean what already happened...' instead, of 'I've been dead wrong so far'

Whether they continue or not who really knows, I'm not going to make the mistake of taking wild guesses, but I would say it's a good bet they do. Thermals are another thing- these may be more affected by wet weather than Nortes are-certainly seems that way so far.
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