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rangerider



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are the wind conditions? That sounds like it would be slog city trying to push the big board around in the Midwest with those smaller sails but then I am not a very good windsurfer. It seems to me on the ultrasonic it needs a little longer gust or bigger sail to push onto a plane than the xcite ride 145 but then once on plane it stays there more easily. Even on truly windy days around here the wind can be like 5-30. Anyway, I guess smaller sails for formula makes sense if you have higher / consistent winds that would be overpowered for larger sails - you might prefer a smaller board as well but it is a formula race so you are stuck with the big board?
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joethewindsufa



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wanna go on the water no matter what
sounds like an old longboard like my Mistral Equipe
goes great with an 8.x in a big wind range

now a big freemove like Fanatic Gecko 135 with an 8.x sounds like fun too
supposed to plane early, go fast and move well/maneuverable
just met a fellow who loves his and is proud of his speed Smile
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gvogelsang



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

joethewindsufa wrote:
wanna go on the water no matter what
sounds like an old longboard like my Mistral Equipe
goes great with an 8.x in a big wind range

now a big freemove like Fanatic Gecko 135 with an 8.x sounds like fun too
supposed to plane early, go fast and move well/maneuverable
just met a fellow who loves his and is proud of his speed Smile


I have a Firemove 122 as my next board down, so a 135 freemove would be too close.

The windspeeds for the board would be low teens. I am guessing that I am talking myself into an Ultrasonic or JP Super Lightwind, or something along those lines.
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waitinSD



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’ve had a SB Futura 122 for years and have had a great time on it. Sail it with 6.9 and 5.8 using 42 cm and 35cm fins. It’s my light-wind flood buster at Sherman Island and it rips with very little wind. Great light-wind board - for me from approx. 14 mph up for to about 20-22 mph @ 165#. Does OK in moderate chop.
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zirtaeb



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes, a modern light wind slalom board around 80-90 cm wide would get you planing in lighter winds than a Formula can, IF you pump, ooch, ride a windswell, and head downwind.
Once planing, it's faster and fun to jibe.
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jamieinnyc



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

joethewindsufa wrote:
wanna go on the water no matter what
sounds like an old longboard like my Mistral Equipe
goes great with an 8.x in a big wind range


This is the my choice for marginal winds, and even less. It is a different experience, though. I put Powerbox in LCS version - always have fun on that board. Great with 10M Speedfreak.

Friend of mine got JP Superlight for marginal conditions, and an Ezzy Cheetah 9.5m (he's 165lbs). Decided he prefers his Kona Surf with the Cheetah - not schlogging when not planing (I think CarbOne would be better!). Sure, JP quicker to plane, but Kona has glide and is great in high wind too. The JP is a beautiful board, though - not knocking it!

But typically when someone is looking for a big shortboard, it's too big a stylistic and conceptual leap to go to the longboard.
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joethewindsufa



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gvogelsang wrote:

The windspeeds for the board would be low teens. I am guessing that I am talking myself into an Ultrasonic or JP Super Lightwind, or something along those lines.


NOW you're talkin my language
here is my latest clip on a BIC Techno Formula with a 10-oh in light winds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra4HXjKCclE


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gvogelsang



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

joethewindsufa wrote:
gvogelsang wrote:

The windspeeds for the board would be low teens. I am guessing that I am talking myself into an Ultrasonic or JP Super Lightwind, or something along those lines.


NOW you're talkin my language
here is my latest clip on a BIC Techno Formula with a 10-oh in light winds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra4HXjKCclE


Not exactly.

I am thinking back in the straps, board out of the water, and the bottom of my sail touching or just about touching the deck of the board. Like sailing my old Formula board.
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joethewindsufa



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gvogelsang wrote:

I am thinking back in the straps, board out of the water, and the bottom of my sail touching or just about touching the deck of the board. Like sailing my old Formula board.


i meant the equipment , not the lack of skills or wind Smile
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d0uglass



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Location: Bonita Springs, Florida

PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Passive planing style, 8.5 max sail, and 210 lbs put a limit on your light-wind planing threshold that a new slalom board probably won't raise. In fact, the shortness of the new slalom/formula boards (~240 cm compared to ~270 cm for your old formula board) actually makes them less compatible with a passive planing style.

That's not to say that a new slalom board won't have a faster and friskier ride once planing.

But I'd say if your goal is to plane earlier, a 9.5 and a more active style will make more difference than a new board.

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