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stevenbard



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aguasonic wrote:
Smelt wouldn't need saving if the Sacramento wasn't being pumped to Los Angeles. The San Joaquin is sucked _dry_. The 'river' on the west end is just backwash from San Pablo Bay.

What are they going to do with the smelt when the tunnels open, /and the entire contents of the Sacramento River/ can be drained ? The Tunnel People say this would only ever happen "in an emergency".

You mean, like during a drought?

This has nothing to with seals. The smelt would not need to be transported downstream if _their_ river wasn't being sucked dry.

Welcome to the water wars.

Mark
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More than 80% of the water goes to farmers. That benefits us all. I happen to like fresh fruits and vegetables........rather than seals.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve..the water goes to highest bidder, and that is the mega-farms...which DONT produce fresh fruits , and vegetables. If you want that , come up to Sonoma County...we'll be glad to help you, and we dont need Delta water...fully sustainable.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

boggsman1 wrote:
Steve..the water goes to highest bidder, and that is the mega-farms...which DONT produce fresh fruits , and vegetables. If you want that , come up to Sonoma County...we'll be glad to help you, and we dont need Delta water...fully sustainable.


What do the "mega farmers" produce? Should we let them go to dust? Wouldn't this hurt the poor? Questions not commentary....
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevenbard wrote:
boggsman1 wrote:
Steve..the water goes to highest bidder, and that is the mega-farms...which DONT produce fresh fruits , and vegetables. If you want that , come up to Sonoma County...we'll be glad to help you, and we dont need Delta water...fully sustainable.


What do the "mega farmers" produce? Should we let them go to dust? Wouldn't this hurt the poor? Questions not commentary....

I agree its a tough one, but if we could get from point A -B , we could do away with the Mega Farms which will eventually burn themselves, and the land out. It is quite possible to produce food , in a sustainable manner, cheaply...
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boggs, it sounds like you belong on Maui, where sustainable farming is all the rage... Laughing (Me too)
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The irony is that the State is trucking smelt and, this year at least, salmon to the Lower Sacramento in order to "prove" that they don't need no stinking river. Big Ag wouldn't be planting almond trees on arid land during a drought unless the fix was in.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevenbard wrote:
...sustainable farming is all the rage... Laughing (Me too)


Maui Wowi...

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mac



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

repeating yet another line from the Drudge report wing of the reality-free party, Bard says:

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More than 80% of the water goes to farmers. That benefits us all. I happen to like fresh fruits and vegetables......


If only that were true. Among California's leading crops are cotton, alfalfa, and seed alfalfa--crops that we pay farmers in other parts of the country not to grow. Agriculture is a very important activity in California, and most farmers--including a lot of corporate farmers--have a sustainability ethic that is deep and valuable. Unfortunately, the tiered pricing system, and other aspects of arcane water law encourage wasteful practices. Heavy subsidies for growing alfalfa have distorted the cost, and thus demand, for beef. Those subsidies have helped damage the viability of grazing along the coastal belt of Northern California, where grazing--without irrigation--made a lot of sense. Those areas have not been able to compete with the subsidized alfalfa growers, and the result is division of the land into ranchettes.

The beat goes on with crops like cotton, on dry lakes, where any real rainfall damages the crop--and enables the corporate farms to get further subsidies for the damages. While we pay land-owners in places where growing cotton makes sense--to not grow it.

Increasing the price of water for agriculture to something approaching its actual costs, including the cost of habitat damage, is a conservative, market-oriented way to improve the efficiency of allocation. Conservatives used to support market approaches.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mac, you're the only guy who could make disparaging remarks about Alfalfa...Mr. Grinch


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny. But did you miss my punchline?
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