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pueno



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrgybe wrote:
...even for those of us who predicted it.

Cool! So, what do you predict next, O Swampi, er, Swami?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obamacare: Failed Experiment

In the weekend WSJ at https://tinyurl.com/mrzkxcp ,
the President of the National Center for Policy Analysis (a nonprofit, nonpartisan public policy research organization) said these things about the ACA:
• It has done squat for the uninsured numbers (CBO). [Last estimate I heard was maybe 400,000 more insured now than before the ACA. That “five million” number is all about shopping carts and replacement policies, not NEWLY insured, and Sebelius refuses to provide any numbers.]

• A total of 107,000 people took advantage of the preexisting conditions clause. [For that we spent trillions?]

• “Now insurers can’t cancel your policy if you get sick”, Obama says. NEWS FLASH: That’s been against federal law since 1996 and against most state laws much longer.

• Per capita healthcare spending has been increasing at twice the income growth rate over most of the developed world. The ACA merely limits what the GOVERNMENT pays for it; it does not protect individuals or employers. [Wellpoint recently announced premiums will increase 2- or 3-fold, maybe more, soon.]

• As care costs increase, people will get less help from the government for insurance the government requires them to buy.

• Businesses take a $10,000 hit compared to individuals, and, of course, roll that hit down the hill.

• Insurance cost subsidies, rather than economic factors like firm size and composition, will impact and ultimately drive a business’s efficiency.

• The better doctors and hospitals are being squeezed out of reach by a race to the bottom of access and quality care.
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pueno



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

isobars wrote:
Obamacare: Failed Experiment


Oh, goodness. An opinion piece published in a Rupert Murdoch newspaper. And the piece is critical of O-care. Shocking!

And even more shocking is that Mikey posts it as if opinion were fact.
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swchandler



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Google National Center for Policy Analysis and check it out. It's real clear that they have a number of disinformation campaigns going on. Non-partisan and a non-profit? What a laugh. Only a fool would believe that.

Unfortunately, we will be continually bombarded all sorts of anti-ACA and anti-global warming BS all the way to the November elections. No doubt, isobars will be eagerly carrying water for all of them.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is a quote from the article Iso cited:

"For the past 40 years real, per capita health-care spending has been growing at twice the rate of growth of real, per capita income. That's not only true in this country; it is about the average for the whole developed world.

Clearly, this trend cannot go on forever."

Iso conveniently overlooked that part of it. What solutions has Iso's political party managed to pass into law to address this issue? Romneycare? I suppose Iso hates Romneycare too.
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mac



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The National Center for Policy Analysis (NCPA) is a free market think tank primarily funded by private foundations established by wealthy conservative business families and billionaires, including Charles and David Koch


Nothing like a credible source, eh?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From today's WSJ........

"The Obama administration is extending the deadline to enroll for health insurance this year beyond Monday for certain people who have started but not completed their applications. An official at the Department of Health and Human Services confirmed Tuesday that those who are partway through applying for insurance coverage through the new exchanges will be able to finalize their coverage after March 31 if they are stuck. The number of applicants that fit that description could be in the millions. It wasn't immediately clear how long the extension would last."

Yet another delay. Making it up as they go along. Chaos.
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pueno



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrgybe wrote:

Yet another delay. Making it up as they go along. Chaos.

No, Mr. G.

This is what happens in ALL huge programs and projects -- adjustments are made in real time to suit the actual needs instead of the hypothetical needs and requirements that were proposed during the planning stage.

You're a contractor? Then you know the difference between "plans" and "as-built."
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nw30



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to Harry Reid, there is no problem with Obamacare, the problem is us, you and me, because we aren't educated enough to know how to use the internet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAtgsizDWV0

So how would you fix that Harry?

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techno900



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pueno said:
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This is what happens in ALL huge programs and projects -- adjustments are made in real time to suit the actual needs instead of the hypothetical needs and requirements that were proposed during the planning stage.


Fair enough, and I am fine with the delay. However, Obama will do everything possible to boost the enrollment numbers which are dismal, so this will let a few more through the door before it closes (assuming it will close).

Without spending any time looking, I wonder how it works for those that have waited and want to sign up after the deadline. 1% penalty for being a day late? No penalty? No subsidies given? I assume that full paying customers will likely be welcome with welcome arms? Anyone know?
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