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jingebritsen



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

with enough sail power, one can tack fairly small boards if one has practiced lots with larger ones. my long board wave sailing tacks have probably numbered in the hundreds of thousands by now. lots of those skills translate directly to lit up sessions.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

isobars wrote:
Try posting one word of truth, Gerritt, and I might respond.


I must have, because you did.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tacks are natural
tacks are good
not everybody does it
but everybody should

getting back to the boat ramp launch at Treasure Island... backwinding and tacking get you there faster with less effort than the alternatives (swimming, walking, excessively cursing)... and it makes you feel good... and it keeps you out of the water when the sea lions are hanging out in the cove.

when the wind is really light, sometimes backwinding on one tack and sailing normal the other is the easiest transition and minimizes falling in

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CoachG taught me to tack short board style (where you switch sides at 11 O clock or 1 O clock) on a long board and I was able to tack 130L boards.
ABK camp refined it so that I could consistently tack on 110 L. Since then there was no walk of shame.
A personal lesson with Jason Voss helped me tack consistently on 90L boards.
Hopefully I could complete on 85L wave board next season.if I drop from 165Lbs to 155Lbs, that would help.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nice progress! with work you will be able to tack smaller and smaller boards... first you have to try, then you have to stick with it. i'm an extremely asymmetrical windsurfer... biased toward regular foot, rarely do things equally on both tacks, but i've been forcing myself to learn to tack better going from port to starboard (traditionally i've heli-tacked in this direction). started badly but getting better!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to say that for me, there's some strange barrier around the
85 ltr mark for tacking. 90 Ltrs and above, is probable, but below 90 ltrs
is really sketchy (though I can get lucky on the 80 ltr 1 direction).

-Craig
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Craig, the difference is breathing. In 90L, we prabobly have couple of seconds to get out of trouble if we hold our breath. We don't have that option in a sinker. The breathing got to be smooth to complete it. That's the toughest part!!! Cursing make it worse.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

90 ltrs is a sinker for me, but I get your drift, and I'm going to breath
smooth on my next attempts.

-Craig


devaprakash wrote:
Craig, the difference is breathing. In 90L, we prabobly have couple of seconds to get out of trouble if we hold our breath. We don't have that option in a sinker. The breathing got to be smooth to complete it. That's the toughest part!!! Cursing make it worse...
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnl wrote:
Plus you just don't get this. Windsurfing is MORE than just going back and forth, jumping and jibing. There is a LOT more to it. Maybe not for you but I have hope for the rest of us. Some how you equate taking the time to learn something new in windsurfing to be a waste of "windsurfing time". And you wonder why people leave windsurfing and go to kiting? It's because they want something NEW and challenging! Learning new windsurfing skills keeps windsurfing fresh. I have no idea why you constantly discourage this.

Impaired balance ... (I deal with it) is something none of us looks forward to when we get older. ... a pivot jibe should be something you can do (it's basically a nonplanning quick jibe).

Your current balance level isn't the norm for most windsurfers. ... a tack isn't beyond the scope for most people ... and is far more effective in getting upwind when needed. ESPECIALLY if you are in just barely planable winds in a flood tide. And as I have mentioned before, I am capable of doing both fairly well, and I can say with experience under those conditions, the tack clearly outperforms the jibe in getting or staying upwind. Which is pretty much where this entire conversation started.....

My God, John; your post just makes no sense. I've spent literally two decades here encouraging people to expand their skills, including suggesting specific mainstream and alternative sailing techniques and equipment, urging lessons, trying to stoke and motivate intermediates to try readily attainable skills beyond BAF, writing tutorials promulgated worldwide, describing exciting sailing styles to spread the stoke, discussing new and revived exercise physiology and sports nutrition principles, getting enthusiastic thanks from many people who tried any or all of the above, and much more. I deliberately progress virtually every day on the water. I think it’s despicable that so many people here try so damned hard to not only insist that their way is the only way but also to demonize people suggesting alternatives even in the face of others who support them. Talk about discouraging anything new and different!

Most of you respond with venom and vitriol and cheap shots:
"You’re lying; you can't do that, especially on a river or a lake!"
“Stop boasting.”
"You must sail/turn/ride/rig my way or not at all."
“You must use new boards; the ones that worked 5 years ago no longer work.”
"Stop putting wrong or purely regional ideas in people's heads."
"No one should use boards under 90 liters."
“You’re a sorry excuse for a human being for promoting smaller boards.”
"One fin is plenty; more is too slow and cumbersome."
“Because max Delta floods favor good, reliable tacks, everyone must tack.”
"You're cherry picking Andy Brandt's dismissal of planing tacks." (Just how are his comments on, say, a Vulcan relevant?)
“You said …” (No, I did not.)

Yet when others say “I agree with iso”, it’s ignored. Tell us that’s not personal, and tell us the above does not discourage people from trying new (to them) stuff.

Because I choose to learn things not in line with your freestyle interests, I’m not advancing? Even though I use 15-20 OTHER techniques to get and stay upwind and several expert Gorge sailors have benefited from them, I must also tack, despite never yet encountering a personal need for it?

The things you people ASSume about my medical history are almost as outlandish as some people’s demands that I POST it here. Age, my wobbly ass! My balance problems, verified by a decade of exhaustive medical tests by many specialists, are the result of explicit trauma to all three components of my balance system. They are life-threatening, have led to violent drop attacks triggering ambulance runs and tentative diagnoses of <a week to live, prohibited driving or even walking near hard surfaces one summer, were only partly mitigated by risky intracranial surgery, trigger falls almost daily, render me functionally blind with abrupt head movement (e.g., heavy chop, any quick head moves), and permanently render me incapable of many ordinary sports and daily activities.

I was doing instantaneous pivot jibes in the air -- both feet off the board while neither hand touched the spinning rig -- in the ‘80s, but now very seldom perceive a need for them, and easily get disoriented when I try them. I can’t even look upwards without losing my balance.

Yet none of that is relevant to the WINDSURFING discussion of how fast a blown jibe OR tack carries us away in a fast flood tide. Aren’t ANY of you people capable of discussing WINDSURFING without getting personal and fabricating others’ thoughts and posts for them? In particular, “this conversation started with” my suggestion that until people master the planing tack YOU brought up but Brandt says is unrealistic, a tighter jibe will usually suffice.

To think people still wonder why my posts are long!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iso, do you choke your chicken left handed or right handed?
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