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alaravan



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:35 am    Post subject: 3 batten wave sails Reply with quote

I suposse all of us have seen the 3 batten prototipes wave sails...and I wonder..are we coming back to the past? Shocked
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seen all Dacron sails with vinyl windows no Mylar at all. Can last for 15 years?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pro's and con's of the 3 batten proto's i've played with:

pro

light, more stable than i would have thought within a specific wind range, soft power, compact, "disappears" in turns.

con

not much pump due to short mast, no water start "leverage" in puffy wind with wind shadows down low due to wave trough dynamics, pretty abrupt wind range limitations to the upside wind increases often seen in temperate climates.

in short, another trade wind oriented "development." another change for the sake of marketing? not quite. school sail app's a big plus.

for some dealers and schools foreign countries, the bling of graphics on the aerotech vice were well received at the last surf expo. visibility is part of what makes our sport an eye catcher. we certainly need more spark to gather more eyeballs.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:16 am    Post subject: Re: 3 batten wave sails Reply with quote

alaravan wrote:
I suposse all of us have seen the 3 batten prototipes wave sails...and I wonder..are we coming back to the past? Shocked


the KS3 by Hot Sails Maui is available so a production sail: not tried one . The reviews are great.
http://www.hotsailsmaui.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3760

the 2014 Aerotech Vice is 3 1/2 battens, really squatty and compact, looks odd to me, they say even 6.0 rigs on a 400cm mast, my Naish '
Boxer 5.8 in 2007 rigged 400.
Neil Pryde : below
http://forums.boards.mpora.com/showthread.php/71223-NP-3-batten-is-this-really-the-future-surely-centre-of-effort-will-be-too-high

Ezzy will have a 3batten.

I was a skeptic on 4 batten, but now have 3, they have some negatives, but whats perfect ? my own thoughts are 5.5m size wise as a maximum,then stick with 5 batten, all subject to change as the 4batten are getting bigger, will need to try the 3B, to make a judgement, from reviews the KS3 us a winner

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

form follows function. if one designs for 3 battens, is there a prescribed look that one must adhere to?
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U2U2U2



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If one designs 4, 5 or 6 batten wave sails is there a prescribed look , certainly the answer is no, would follow that 3B would be similar, the VICE has 3.5, same answer




will stand by my statement that it looks odd, with several concepts.
Please note that I haven't seen it nor sailed it, so its just conversation based on observation of several photos and comparison to others

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

primary difference is easy to spot? designer steve g. thinks there ought to be some sail area below the boom. thus, form follows function. again, the obsession for short and squatty may have benefits, offset with some con's. i've sailed the sails of the 1980's with few battens. sailed the 4 batten ones of the late 90's. sailed the 3 batten vice prototypes. some like the really old stuff, some like the bling of the new. i sail in some pretty light and waffly conditions, that sometimes surprise to the upside. can't be bothered to rig up or down as much i used to have to in the bad old days of the late 80's and early 90's.....
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



yup the Vice is different

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just posted my impressions of the KS3 on another post:
http://www.iwindsurf.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=27735
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 4:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the first new 3 battens sail is the challenger sail 3g, on the market since 2011 and end from 2009 r&d
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http://www.4windsurf.it/2013/12/29/dani-bruch-con-challenger-sails/
http://www.4windsurf.it/2013/12/23/4-chiacchiere-con-claudio-badiali/
http://www.challengersails.com/it/windsurf/vele-2014/threeg-sails.html

aloha
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