Global cooling

GURGLETROUSERS · Joined: 30 Dec 2009 Posts: 2643

Of course there is doubt Mac. But the Met Office is one of the leading world authorities on climate, with state of the art computer modelling, and records going back some.

The graph I quoted from IS smoothed with a running mean, and is for the U.K. only. The remarkable point of the downward line from 2000 (1999 really) is that it is steep and steady, year on year, with no indication that it is slowing. Extrapolation for 2014 would suggest it isn't going to halt. If so, the U.K. would be back to levels of the past. (Assuming it stopped falling then.)

But that is the question! The Met Office were pro warming up until recently, but are now more guarded in their statements. This latest 'extreme' storm and rain weather hitting our country is, according to them, owing to a longish term Atlantic (I forget what they called it) cycle, and is quite normal in its effects. (The jet stream diverted and so on, which I gather is also bringing cold air cells down from the Arctic over America at the moment, with record cold temps.)

It occurs to me that 2014 could be quite a defining year if our temps (U.K.) continue to fall, and other parts of the globe do also. I not betting either way, but the cooling scenario isn't yet out of the picture.

techno900 · Joined: 28 Mar 2001 Posts: 4161

From the article:

mac · Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 3:49 pm Post subject:

Techno--I agree with you on the flood program. But efforts to reform the program, or scrap it, have not come from the Republican old guard, or the new Tea baggers. And it took so long to roll out the rather modest, and insufficient new rates because politicians from both parties squawked.

isobars · Joined: 12 Dec 1999 Posts: 20935

mac · Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 4:48 pm Post subject:

GT--I appreciate that you are a poster with data. Here is the data set he cited:

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcet/graphs/HadCET_graph_ylybars_uptodate.gif

It is only for Central England, and it does show a roughly 1 degree increase in mean temperature, even with the cooling. Note also that the cooling in England is not matched in other areas.

swchandler · Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588

G.T., while the UK might be getting abnormally cool weather, there are those of us here in Southern California seeing record high temperatures a lot lately. In 2013, the Santa Barbara area received only 27% of our normal rainfall average. Things are very much out of sorts, but around here I find it hard to blame it all on global cooling.

nw30 · Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 7:36 pm Post subject:

mac · Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 8:46 pm Post subject:

Los Angeles is still arid. Attention to detail is the trademark of a mind that can actually focus and absorb facts.

Alarmist shlarmist. Here is the actual data. I'm almost positive NW 30 won't look--it might alarm him. https://www2.ucar.edu/climate/faq/how-much-has-global-temperature-risen-last-100-years

I'm pretty sure GT will look, or already knows. But the global averaging is what makes the point.

Temperature and error bars shown here: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/service/global/global-land-ocean-mntp-anom/201201-201212.png

You don't have to stay uninformed--but you can, if you work at it.

nw30 · Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:06 pm Post subject:

swchandler · Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588

NW30, I have to say that I'm not one that is adamant about the issue of global warming, but I couldn't waste an opportunity to give G.T. a bit of a rub. Lately, he's been quite strong on the issue of global cooling as predicted by Russian science sources, and seemingly UK weather makes a case in point. Yet, with the usually dry and warmer weather that we've been experiencing, the idea of global cooling appears far fetched.

Am I really serious about the issue of world wide global warming? Not really. However, if there is something that I am adamant about, it would be supporting tougher regulations focused on reducing environmental pollution. Moreover, we should be concerned about untoward release of CO2 into the atmosphere. We can do better, and I see tougher regulations as an opportunity to grow high quality jobs, and to advance state of the art technology into the future. Leadership has its costs.