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stevenbard



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why Obama should be impeached...

Since President Obama signed the Affordable Care Act into law, he has changed it six times. Most notably, he suspended the employer mandate last summer, and last week he changed the provision that cancelled individual insurance policies.

The New York Times (11/15/13) described this last change as “a sweeping assertion of presidential authority to delay enforcement of certain provisions of federal law.” That is the narrowest possible interpretation, but still, where did Mr. Obama get that authority? From the premise that he is not bound by the Constitution.

The Constitution authorizes the President to propose and veto legislation. It does not authorize him to change existing laws. The changes Mr. Obama has ordered in Obamacare, therefore, are unconstitutional.

Why is he doing this? For the worst possible reason. “[T]o avoid opening the measure to legislative attack in Congress,” The Times says. In other words, to keep it out of the hands of the people’s representatives because the Constitution gives them, and only them, the power to write laws.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevenbard wrote:
Why Obama should be impeached...

Sigh...

And then there's this from the Houston Chronicle...

In the Houston Chronicle, Paul Krugman wrote:
The law establishing Obamacare was officially titled the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. And the "affordable" bit wasn't just about subsidizing premiums. It was also supposed to be about "bending the curve" - slowing the seemingly inexorable rise in health costs.

Much of the Beltway establishment scoffed at the promise of cost savings. The prevalent attitude in Washington is that reform isn't real unless the little people suffer; serious savings are supposed to come from things like raising the Medicare age (which the Congressional Budget Office recently concluded would, in fact, hardly save any money) and throwing millions of Americans off Medicaid. True, a 2011 letter signed by hundreds of health and labor economists pointed out that "the Affordable Care Act contains essentially every cost- containment provision policy analysts have considered effective in reducing the rate of medical spending." But such expert views were largely ignored.

So, how's it going? The health exchanges are off to a famously rocky start, but many, though by no means all, of the cost-control measures have kicked in. Has the curve been bent?

The answer, amazingly, is yes. In fact, the slowdown in health costs has been dramatic.

OK, the obligatory caveats. First of all, we don't know how long the good news will last. Health costs in the United States slowed dramatically in the 1990s (although not this dramatically), probably thanks to the rise of health maintenance organizations, but cost growth picked up again after 2000. Second, we don't know for sure how much of the good news is because of the Affordable Care Act.

Still, the facts are striking. Since 2010, when the act was passed, real health spending per capita - that is, total spending adjusted for overall inflation and population growth - has risen less than a third as rapidly as its long-term average. Real spending per Medicare recipient hasn't risen at all; real spending per Medicaid beneficiary has actually fallen slightly.

What could account for this good news? One obvious answer is the still-depressed economy, which might be causing people to forgo expensive medical care. But this explanation turns out to be problematic in multiple ways. For one thing, the economy had stabilized by 2010, even if the recovery was fairly weak, yet health costs continued to slow. For another, it's hard to see why a weak economy would have more effect in reducing the prices of health services than it has on overall inflation. Finally, Medicare spending shouldn't be affected by the weak economy, yet it has slowed even more dramatically than private spending.

A better story focuses on what appears to be a decline in some kinds of medical innovation - in particular, an absence of expensive new blockbuster drugs, even as existing drugs go off-patent and can be replaced with cheaper generic brands. This is a real phenomenon; it is, in fact, the main reason the Medicare drug program has ended up costing less than originally projected. But since drugs are only about 10 percent of health spending, it can only explain so much.

So what aspects of Obamacare might be causing health costs to slow? One clear answer is the act's reduction in Medicare "overpayments" - mainly a reduction in the subsidies to private insurers offering Medicare Advantage Plans, but also cuts in some provider payments. A less certain, but likely, source of savings involves changes in the way Medicare pays for services. The program now penalizes hospitals if many of their patients end up being readmitted soon after being released - an indicator of poor care - and readmission rates have, in fact, fallen substantially. Medicare is also encouraging a shift from fee-for-service, in which doctors and hospitals get paid by the procedure, to "accountable care," in which health organizations get rewarded for overall success in improving care while controlling costs.

Furthermore, there's evidence that Medicare savings "spill over" to the rest of the health care system - that when Medicare manages to slow cost growth, private insurance gets cheaper, too.

And the biggest savings may be yet to come. The Independent Payment Advisory Board, a panel with the power to impose cost-saving measures (subject to congressional overrides) if Medicare spending grows above target, hasn't yet been established, in part because of the near-certainty that any appointments to the board would be filibustered by Republicans yelling about "death panels." Now that the filibuster has been reformed, the board can come into being.

The news on health costs is, in short, remarkably good. You won't hear much about this good news until and unless the Obamacare website gets fixed. But under the surface, health reform is starting to look like a bigger success than even its most ardent advocates expected."

- Paul Krugman


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isobars



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevenbard wrote:
Since President Obama signed the Affordable Care Act into law, he has changed it six times. Most notably, he suspended the employer mandate last summer, and last week he changed the provision that cancelled individual insurance policies.

I would ... heck, I DO ... argue that, no, he did not suspend or change any laws. He simply flapped his gums and SAID those laws were altered. Guess which would win in a real court: his utterances or the written law.

Oops ... that overlooks his expected unvetted packing of the DC federal bench with lawless sycophants now that Reid used the nuclear option. This stuff may have to go to the Supremes before his words are officially declared as the empty rhetoric they are rather than actual ... you know ... LAW.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bard, you still don't get it about President Obama's actions under the ACA. I covered the general issue earlier, but I guess some folks need to be told twice. Obama didn't change any laws under the ACA, only Congress can do that, but even if they could do that, it still requires presidential approval. The Executive branch is responsible for rolling out, administering and enforcing law. With that responsibility the president has the power to manage things in a way that makes sense. That may include temporary suspension of an particular element of a law, or a decision not to enforce it for a period of time.

Of course, Congress could disagree, but that requires a majority action in both the House and Senate to make good on it. In the long run, the courts could also decide the matter, but the case must be won on many levels.

Bard, let's face the facts and quit pretending that President Obama is doing anything illegal or untoward. Man, you need to get a grip. Looking in the gutter for news doesn't make any sense all. No doubt, using the stuff you find there can make you look foolish and unstudied.
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stevenbard



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He is, a dictator.

DHS has bought the billions of rounds of ammo. This week the last American lead manufacturer was closed by the EPA. This is a back door way of controlling guns, by limiting ammo.

Healthcare, he waives his hand and modifies the law, at will.

Immigration, he chooses to ignore entire classes of illegals, at will.

The list goes on and on. The point is, he can make any assumption about health and safety, and then act on it for his political purposes without consequences.

As they say, "the devil is in the details", and there is no detail that this administration won't use to manipulate the original intent of a law, for political purpose.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you really believe the nonsense you're spouting? I'm amazed by your gullibility and your vast potential for a hateful view. Seemingly, you've got no bounds for either. Hate grows exponentially like a cancer if you let it. Man, like I said earlier, you best get a grip. Maybe your religion can help.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

swchandler wrote:
Do you really believe the nonsense you're spouting? I'm amazed by your gullibility and your vast potential for a hateful view. Seemingly, you've got no bounds for either. Hate grows exponentially like a cancer if you let it. Man, like I said earlier, you best get a grip. Maybe your religion can help.


Thanks Chandler. I'm a pretty upbeat guy, but Obama is destroying America. I can't help it if you believe otherwise. There is no hate, just disgust.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bard--you're off your lithium. You know what happens when you forget to take it!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A little anti-drudge: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/obamacare-mccarthyism
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