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U2U2U2
Joined: 06 Jul 2001 Posts: 5467 Location: Shipsterns Bluff, Tasmania. Colorado
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Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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beaglebuddy wrote: | The wider board will have more stability when the wind is less resulting in flatter water but as the wind increases and the water becomes more choppy the wide board will become unmanageable. |
unmanageable being the word/phrase I have issue with.
Formula board are wide, WIDE. so the wind increases and now some chop, unmanageable.......
hardly think so _________________ K4 fins
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joe_windsurfxxx
Joined: 29 Jun 2008 Posts: 67
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Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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U2U2U2U2 : 160 litre versus 170 litre is an insignificant difference of 5% to me
for width a 5 % difference is more significant
the reason my 125 litre question appears redundant is because it is
i am unstable
stable may mean different things to different people in different conditions
as i said before, i am unstable and unmanoeuvrable |
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nw30
Joined: 21 Dec 2008 Posts: 6485 Location: The eye of the universe, Cen. Cal. coast
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Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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LOL, so far there has been no mention of what kind of water type/conditions you guys are talking about, that makes a big difference.
In choppy water, that's all I sail in, ocean stuff.
Wider, more stable and plaining gain, until it gets pretty windy and choppy, then the width works against the chop, it doesn't fit between the chop peaks, gotta go more narrow.
Think skiing a mogul field, you need skis that fit in between the bumps, short and tight together. |
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U2U2U2
Joined: 06 Jul 2001 Posts: 5467 Location: Shipsterns Bluff, Tasmania. Colorado
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Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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joe_windsurfxxx wrote: | U2U2U2U2 : 160 litre versus 170 litre is an insignificant difference of 5% to me
for width a 5 % difference is more significant
the reason my 125 litre question appears redundant is because it is
i am unstable
stable may mean different things to different people in different conditions
as i said before, i am unstable and unmanoeuvrable |
math seems correct, the OP asked about same liter, not with 5 %, go figure I actually read things.
the 125L question, is in fact the same question posed originally.
I really can't propose a answer to, because their is not enough information to make a reasonable response, chop, no chop, board from the 1990s vs a 200ish , too much supposition and not enough presented _________________ K4 fins
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beaglebuddy
Joined: 10 Feb 2012 Posts: 1120
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Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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U2U2U2 wrote: | beaglebuddy wrote: | The wider board will have more stability when the wind is less resulting in flatter water but as the wind increases and the water becomes more choppy the wide board will become unmanageable. |
unmanageable being the word/phrase I have issue with.
Formula board are wide, WIDE. so the wind increases and now some chop, unmanageable.......
hardly think so |
I'm pretty sure a formula board would start becoming unmanageable in water conditions typically associated with wind over 20 knots, sure there are pros that do it but that is not a desirable set up. |
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U2U2U2
Joined: 06 Jul 2001 Posts: 5467 Location: Shipsterns Bluff, Tasmania. Colorado
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Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 10:19 am Post subject: |
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beaglebuddy wrote: | U2U2U2 wrote: | beaglebuddy wrote: | The wider board will have more stability when the wind is less resulting in flatter water but as the wind increases and the water becomes more choppy the wide board will become unmanageable. |
unmanageable being the word/phrase I have issue with.
Formula board are wide, WIDE. so the wind increases and now some chop, unmanageable.......
hardly think so |
I'm pretty sure a formula board would start becoming unmanageable in water conditions typically associated with wind over 20 knots, sure there are pros that do it but that is not a desirable set up. |
guilty of picking your words and phrase apart, while you do likewise.
pretty sure, would START to become unmanageable. Pros CAN manage 23MPH , so others can't ?
Desirable ..? vs unmanageable
Depending on location, hence sea state, my desirable board in 20KTS would be 135L--117L
or 88L. Would my Formula board be desirable , nah, would it get wet if I had poor options ? yes
the thread is ambiguous _________________ K4 fins
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dhmark
Joined: 04 Sep 2007 Posts: 376
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Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 10:41 am Post subject: |
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The problem with the OP question is the characteristic of "stability," which I never use to describe boards' performance characteristics except for uphauling ease or schlogging. Having sailed for 20+ years from the narrow to wide era, stability has never crossed my mind to compare boards; they're all stable when you get them going. dhmark |
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joe_windsurfxxx
Joined: 29 Jun 2008 Posts: 67
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Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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thanks dhmark
the issue is with the phraseology
what is stability ?? |
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DanWeiss
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Posts: 2296 Location: Connecticut, USA
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Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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FW boards made in the last decade are intended to be sailed fairly easily in water conditions usually associated with 20 knots. The difficulty for advanced and higher sailors is tuning the entire kit as one. That takes time, some money and usually a training partner.
FW boards do what they do, and do it well. Upwind, downwind. That's it.
Yes, they are fine for beam reaching with a smaller fin and sail but not great at that when the wind really picks up, for the basic reasons of width, rocker and volume flow. Think F1 car on rough terrain. It can be done but not with all that much fun compared to other gear. _________________ Support Your Sport. Join US Windsurfing!
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U2U2U2
Joined: 06 Jul 2001 Posts: 5467 Location: Shipsterns Bluff, Tasmania. Colorado
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Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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Formula 1 comparisons, ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh ummmmmmmmm.
I think Kimi Räikkönen
could drive a Ford Pinto on rough terrain faster than most, in any vechile.LOL.
111 Days till next F1 Race.. _________________ K4 fins
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