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mac



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Breitbart--now there's a credible, measured source. Oh, I believe!!!!!!!!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pueno wrote:
boggsman1 wrote:
Bard...please supply the link to your Drudge Story, otherwise its plagiarism, which might be ok for Rand Paul, but not Steven Bard.

The nerve of these people -- plagiarizing Mr. Bard's words without giving him credit.
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You are right Boggs. I assumed that the authors name was in the post incorrectly. Satan is the author....
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL!!! Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Before the issue gets neatly side-tracked with name calling, can somebody give a reasoned explanation of why this extreme event can, with absolute certainty, be put down solely to global warming? (Haven't we been here so often before, with these kind of claims!)

How can it possibly be known to be a unique event over the last (for sake of argument) 10,000 years? If such events have happened with any degree of regularity over this time scale, as seems quite a credible stance to take, to what cause would THEY be attributed?

Random weather perhaps!!
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GURGLETROUSERS



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

P.S. ... Coincidentally I'm tracing shipwrecks along our Yorkshire North Sea coast, and in one storm in the mid 1800's, the like of which was recorded as never having been known before (Gods warning, as preached at the time, to heed his ways) a large number of assorted sailing coasters and bigger sailing ships were driven ashore and wrecked in just a single night!

For such fantastic carnage and loss of life, it was claimed to be, and must have been, a unique event. I would hazzard that the wind speeds could well have been up to 200m.p.h. for otherwise well found and well managed by experienced captains and crews, sailing craft of the period to all have been so completely overwhelmed.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just for some perspective: From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1959_Pacific_typhoon_season

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The 1959 Pacific typhoon season was regarded as one of the most devastating years for Pacific typhoons on record, with China, Japan and the Philippines sustaining catastrophic losses.[1]

The scope of this article is limited to the Pacific Ocean, north of the equator and west of the International Date Line. Storms that form east of the Date Line and north of the equator are called hurricanes; see 1959 Pacific hurricane season. All typhoons were assigned a name and number. Tropical storms and tropical depressions formed in the entire west Pacific basin were assigned a name and number by the Joint Typhoon Warning Center, but the latter was not added if no reconnaissance missions were assigned. Systems handled by the responsibility of the USWB and FWB featured no number.

The 1959 Pacific typhoon season featured 24 tropical cyclones, though operationally 59 total areas of investigation were classified by the Joint Typhoon Warning Center (JTWC);[2] three systems were handled by the responsibility of FWB at Pearl Harbor and the USWB at Honolulu. Three systems were questionable due to lack of reconnaissance aircraft use. In total, the season featured 65 tropical cyclones and areas of investigation operationally, including central Pacific Hurricane Patsy, which was operationally believed to have crossed the International Date Line into the western Pacific. The first annual tropical cyclone report for the western North Pacific Ocean was issued by the agency.[2]

Joan was the biggest with winds to 195 mph. Cat. 5 storm!

Blaming one big storm on global warming is at best a loooooooong stretch.

Also from wiki -
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Typhoon Tip (international designation: 7920, JTWC designation: 23W, PAGASA name: Warling) was the largest and most intense tropical cyclone ever recorded. The nineteenth storm and twelfth typhoon of the 1979 Pacific typhoon season, Tip developed out of a disturbance in the monsoon trough on October 4 near Pohnpei. Initially, a tropical storm to the northwest hindered the development and motion of Tip, though after it tracked farther north Tip was able to intensify. After passing Guam, Tip rapidly intensified and reached peak winds of 305 km/h (190 mph)[nb 1] and a worldwide record-low sea-level pressure of 870 mbar (870.0 hPa; 25.69 inHg) on October 12. At its peak strength, it was also the largest tropical cyclone on record with a wind diameter of 2,220 km (1,380 mi). Tip slowly weakened as it continued west-northwestward and later turned to the northeast in response to an approaching trough. The typhoon made landfall on southern Japan on October 19 and became an extratropical cyclone shortly thereafter.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, statistics do show that superlatives are piling up. This typhoon was the strongest on record in this area, a year after the most damaging hurricane in the NE United States, less than a decade after Katrina, etc.

The common factor, a metric for sheer destructiveness, is the height of the storm surge. 14 feet in New York, 16 feet in Leyte. When every foot of water equals billions in damage and thousands of lives in danger, the already measurable sea level rise due has to be considered.

These are "just" the tropical storms - add to those events the hundred-year draughts in Russia, several unusually strong monsoon seasons with floods and land slides costing thousands of lives in Pakistan. Yes, the "climate" not weather are affected and were already paying for it.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please make an effort to actually read. Nobody said the recent typhoon was the result solely of global warming. That's make up an absurd argument and put in someone's mouth stuff. What I said, and what my sources said, is that the immense amount of extra heat in the oceans made it worse.

This, of course, has been the fundamental prediction of climate models. Neatly ignored, misquoted and belittled, by those who make money in the denial of climate change business, and those who believe them blindly. Perhaps that inability to read for content is part of the problem?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mac said:

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Please make an effort to actually read. Nobody said the recent typhoon was the result solely of global warming. That's make up an absurd argument and put in someone's mouth stuff. What I said, and what my sources said, is that the immense amount of extra heat in the oceans made it worse.


You are correct, at least in your second sentence. So if not global warming, where is the "immense amount of extra heat in the oceans" coming from? Natural global warming or CO2.

You seem to be dodging the point that there have been huge storms for centuries without warming oceans or global warming.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote ... 'Nobody said the recent typhoon was the result SOLELY of global warming.'

That was NOT the meaning of what I stated. I said... 'why this EXTREME event can ..etc' meaning not the typhoon itself, but the EXTREME nature of it being blamed by you, on global warming!

As pointed out, EXTREME weather events, including EXTREME hurricanes have been occuring for centuries. I asked what THEIR cause was? Implying that this present EXTREME event cannot with such certainty be explained aa the result of global warming.
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