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Ugly_Bird



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 6:33 pm    Post subject: Naish Indy 7.6 2014? Reply with quote

Came across reading about 2014 model of Naish Indy 7.6.
Quite a few changes from previous years.
Did any one got to test the new one?
Thanks!

Andrei.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 6:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Naish Indy 7.6 2014? Reply with quote

Ugly_Bird wrote:
2014 model of Naish Indy 7.6.


OK, what about 2013? Anybody? Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 5:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Naish Indy 7.6 2014? Reply with quote

Ugly_Bird wrote:
about 2013? Anybody? Smile


Read a bit more.

How come they say that 2014 Indy is lighter than 2013 model?
2013 7.6 is 4.37 kg (x-166 scrim)
2014 7.6 is 4.89 kg (monofilm)

They say 2014 is more affordable.
2013 7.6 is $780
2014 7.6 is $875

I don't get it... Confused
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure the 2014 Naish gear is available yet. My 400 RDM broke last September & the replacement is on back order which I don't expect to see until the spring.

As for the Indy I don't see how monofilm can be lighter than the scrim. As for last year's sail pricing brands always discount the previous years equipment. The question would be what was the cost of the 2013 Indy when it first came out? I prefer the skrim & if it is cheaper, that is a bonus.

I have the 2012 Indy 8.2 & think it is a great sail for my needs. Easy to rig, plenty of power, very easy to handle and rigs on 460 so I didn't have to spend extra cash buying a 490 mast. The upper range is not as good as a full blown race sail but I'm on smaller gear long before I get blown off the water with the Indy.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 8:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Naish Indy 7.6 2014? Reply with quote

Ugly_Bird wrote:
Ugly_Bird wrote:
about 2013? Anybody? Smile


Read a bit more.

How come they say that 2014 Indy is lighter than 2013 model?
2013 7.6 is 4.37 kg (x-166 scrim)
2014 7.6 is 4.89 kg (monofilm)

They say 2014 is more affordable.
2013 7.6 is $780
2014 7.6 is $875

I don't get it... Confused


I don't get what this is all about ? Why dont you write Naish with your questions ?

Is this a deliberate attempt to discredit cast Naish in a bad light ?

Coachg, monofilm comes in different thickness, 7mil being pretty thick,
impossible to compare to scrim without the actual details.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 12:01 am    Post subject: Re: Naish Indy 7.6 2014? Reply with quote

U2U2U2 wrote:

Is this a deliberate attempt to discredit cast Naish in a bad light ?


No such attempt. Just curious after seen the numbers. Sorry.
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Ugly_Bird



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 8:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Naish Indy 7.6 2014? Reply with quote

U2U2U2 wrote:
Why dont you write Naish with your questions ?


Actually this is a good one.
Is there the best contact at US Naish to answer my questions?
They came from idea of buying an Indy. After reading that became even more puzzling about 2013 vs 2014.

Andrei
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keycocker



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 4:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A heavy sail is one that feels heavy when you sail it.
The numbers on the scale are not very important,
The cut of the sail is the thing. If you make a big pocket in the bottom it will feel heavy and have more power.
Flat sails feel light and make less power.
Sail makers work on all the little details to try to overcome this.
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Ugly_Bird



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

keycocker wrote:
A heavy sail is one that feels heavy when you sail it.
The numbers on the scale are not very important,
The cut of the sail is the thing. If you make a big pocket in the bottom it will feel heavy and have more power.
Flat sails feel light and make less power.
Sail makers work on all the little details to try to overcome this.


Thanks! They also mention high-aspect vs low aspect ratio. How that makes a difference?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They really mean long boom or not.
A long boom gives more power and drag.
You can reduce the sail square area with more boom and still get the same power in a slightly smaller sail.
Short boom sails can have less drag and a higher top speed.
If you are not Albeau or Eric Beale you are not ever really going to reach that speed anyway.
Another confusing point. It is not unusual to keep the same sail size numbers when you reduce or increase the size a little.
As in the " New more powerful Rocket 6.0 " which is last years Rocket 6.0 only it is a 6.2 that feels like a 6.0 but with more power from the added sail area.
That works going down in size for the new lighter dadeda whatever.
We found this out by laying sails on top of each other in our shop.
Later I have pointed this out to designers who just shrug.
It is marketing.

I should add that designers differ on theses parameters. Each one might have a slightly different take on this. That's why sails differ so much.
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