the big lie "the media is liberal"

[real-human]

[KGB-NP]

Yup, that's me, ultra right wing. You've got it all figured out. Nice try i particularly like the insinuation I condone all these things with your outlandish conclusions. You really do come off as a very peaceful person and it helps drive home your message.

[real-human]

[KGB-NP]

One thing you have definitely confirmed for me is just how happy I am to live in Canada. A bit of advice, if you ever visit here you might want to tone it down a bit.

Deep breath in and slow out through the nostrils. It's going to be OK.

[real-human]

[KGB-NP]

I'd probably do this
But only if I wasn't busy pistol whipping babies, decapitating kittens, cutting holes in my white sheets or shaving my skinhead.

[mac]

RR--you seem a little obsessed by baja, and a little in the dark about the use of propaganda by the right wing in the United States. There are numerous scholarly articles about the effectiveness of the Nazi propaganda machine, but as this source notes http://www.psychologyandsociety.org/__assets/__original/2011/04/2Kohl_2011_.pdf, much of the success of Nazi propaganda rested on the foundation of creating "fear towards other. Furthermore, these strategies encouraged a non-human view of other"

Depicting Obama as "other" has been part of right wing propaganda from the McCain campaign on. He has been depicted as a not serious person, a "community organizer." He has been depicted as a fellow traveler with radicals and radical preachers. He has been depicted as un-American by "birthers", and as a socialist and a fascist by people who clearly don't understand, or care about his political views, which are pretty much those of an Eisenhower Republican.

Most recently he has been depicted as a "the biggest liar in presidential history" for his spin on keeping your insurance under the ACA, despite a section of the Act intended to do just that. The active lies of Reagan in selling arms to the Contras--and covering it up; Nixon in covering up Watergate; and Bush and Cheney on multiple subjects in the run-up to the Iraq invasion are conveniently ignored--because, of course, they were not "others."

If you watched McCain speaking to his supporters after he conceded, you would have clearly seen and understood how deeply this view is held by the right in this country. And used by the propaganda machine that hides its donors.

Certainly not all who dislike Obama hate him, and clearly not all who dislike Obama are bigots. But the propaganda machine, which includes talk radio and Fox news as driving pistons, it fundamentally built on creating and stoking fears of Obama that are independent of policy.

You have--once--commented that Obama has done a decent job in view of the difficulties of politics. A viewpoint I can share without having ever thought he was the savior that the right wing belittles. But to have a truly open mind, and perceived as balanced, perhaps you need to be more critical of the language choices of the right, as well as Baja, and understand the use of the "other" in fear-mongering by the media.

[swchandler]

mac, you've certainly summarized the right's hateful view of President Obama very well. It's pretty hard deny that its been going on feverishly over Obama's entire presidency on so many different fronts. Sadly, we see it here from our Republican friends in their commentary.

Now, regarding the tiff between bajaDean and reinerehlers, there's little doubt that bajaDean is adamantly dedicated to putting the spotlight on the right's manipulation of the media. Moreover, I think that we're all aware that he is very consumed in his task, to the point that he might be considered too dedicated and very obsessed about it. That said, I think that reinerehlers role in this thread has been a bit too personal in his criticism of bajaDean. Maybe he's hoping to stem bajaDean's enthusiasm. Try as he might, that's not going to happen. The way that I see it, reinerehlers is a bit consumed too. His efforts to knock folks here off their pedestals has been apparent since his arrival. In doing that, he reveals more about himself. The darker side of his personality. I remember what he said on the isobars interview thread about the political side of the iWindsurf forum. If he had it his way, this part of the forum would disappear.

Lastly, to be fair, I guess that a number of criticisms could be thrown my way. I have to admit that I've been quite critical of the right and their positions, and particularly, isobars.

[real-human]

another very good example to show CBS and media bias of the right wing.

Dan Rather and Maples told the truth and were removed by the right wing and a investigation was held by Bush's fathers attorney general where he could not conclude the information was not accurate. ya a billion to one probability will do that. Anyway there was an uproar and a investigation by a partisan team.

Well note 60 minutes and it Bengazi story were proved to be fabrications and there is no investigation of CBS or firing of CBS producers. and aonly a 90 second retraction buried on page 120.

whereas Maples life was destroyed and Dan was removed. Fr telling the truth. Again never proved the information was not accurate and even the Bush 1 attorney general. And this agreed on investigator asked the whitehousre to answer some basic questions and the whitehouse would not respond to say the documents were not accurate. That tells the story by itself.

now where is that media demanding the firing of all those involved at CBS and how such a story was allowed.

[real-human]

I do not know how many of you have ever heard Michael Savages radio show, the savage nation.

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