the big lie "the media is liberal"

GURGLETROUSERS · Joined: 30 Dec 2009 Posts: 2643

R.R. may have some crackpot ideas in his head, but he's not open to left wing propaganda.

That's what he keeps exasperatedly yelling at you, not trolling, but it gives you a severe bout of indigestion, and you won't accept it!

Perhaps he should be sent to a correction centre, for daring to have a mind of his own!

real-human · Joined: 02 Jul 2011 Posts: 14882 Location: on earth

isobars · Joined: 12 Dec 1999 Posts: 20935

GURGLETROUSERS · Joined: 30 Dec 2009 Posts: 2643

R.R. brought to the debate the point that the LEFT, in his country have foisted on schools the non-competitive ethos. i.e. if you have winners, you have loosers, and the less able will suffer a loss of esteem.

The same liberal thinking took root in our educational system to the extent of abolishing streaming by ability in core discipline subjects, and even introduced in many schools, non-competitive sports days for the younger junior school children.

A report just published shows that since the 1960's standards have declined so far that the older generations are now more skilled in the core discipline subjects than the 20 to 30 year olds. This, is unique!

The non-competitive (prizes for all as R.R. put it) ethos has been 'pushed' only by the left, never the right. So who are you claiming controls our thinking?

real-human · Joined: 02 Jul 2011 Posts: 14882 Location: on earth

real-human · Joined: 02 Jul 2011 Posts: 14882 Location: on earth

another pertinent founders quote

mac · Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 7:46 pm Post subject:

GT--I'm disappointed, you usually rise above putting words in other people's mouths to then disparage. You can fairly blame the left for the efforts to encourage self-esteem--something that I think is a good idea, but hardly all that matters in education. As for competition--since I race windsurfers, and I have for about twenty years, I know exactly where I stand in the hierarchy. All governmental institutions must hire from the most qualified few candidates, so competition and merit is deeply embedded in the society.

As for the new Core Curriculum, which I have been teaching now for two and a half months, for math it is just terrific. The new curriculum is much more difficult than math was when I was in the fourth grade, much better thought through, and, as is typical of the left in my knowledge, backed by research. It has essentially mainstreamed most of what I had been teaching to the gifted kids for the last six years. Reading and writing in California are also taught at a much higher level than you think, and the levels when I was young. I really learned to read in second grade--when it is easier to learn because you are more developmentally ready. In the second month of my first grade class I have 4 kids that are reading at third grade level and above. Every kid in the class knows who is reading above them in levels, and except for the emotional basket cases, wants to catch up. So give me a break about how school has been dumbed down--it is not true.

It is true that schools are no longer tracked, and I had the benefit of being in a tracked educational program in junior high school. There are pluses and minuses to ending tracking. It does mean that some of the high achievers don't get challenged as much in class--but those challenges come from their parents and supplementary material. I try to teach each kid I work with at a level that matches their capacity--but that is one of the things that a volunteer can do. It is true that maintstreaming kids with learning difficulties can make it more difficult to teach, especially if the kid acts out. And the dilemma is that you really can't toss a disruptive kid out because then they fall further behind. But most of those kids have serious emotional issues, and come from places that aren't safe. It is thus important that school be a safe place for them, and the presence of kids with disabilities--and kids recognize emotional problems as disabilities--teaches the other kids empathy. Something never taught, it seems, to much of the right wingers here. It is better than abandoning the hard to teach, which is what tracking did in my youth.

As for isobars and his latest nonsense about media. Mike, calm down. Fox will soon tell you what to believe, and you won't have to think about it. You can believe, without the benefit of any evidence, that Fox is fair and balanced and Lord Monckton has something meaningful to say about global warming. We will not put you in an asylum for believing crazy things--because we learned empathy. There there, do you feel better now?

KGB-NP · Joined: 25 Jul 2001 Posts: 2856

BajaDean,
Take a look at the bottom of page 97. Read it carefully. I agreed with you. I also agree that windsurfers tend to be pretty bright people. Some are so bright as to not waste their time thinking they are making a change about their causes on a windsurfing forum. Some are bright enough to recognize that if someone has a difference of opinion from their own that it doesn't mean they are "haters" or "racists". I think it would be brighter to start a thread about how we can stop child hunger by providing them with Haloween candy, and then beat everyone over the head with it endlessly. Maybe you should be proactive like your father, and not at arms length but by actually rolling up your sleaves and doing something other than whining on here.
Mac,
Thanks for giving me the biggest laugh of the day. I shot my drink out of my nose at lunch when you refered to me as forum scold. If I could master your techniqes then perhaps I could lay claim, but until I can stoop so low to suggest that someone is a racist and thinks of Obama as some "N" because they don't agree with some of his policies, I will let you hold that position. AND regarding Obamacare and your comments there. I actually summarized the way I viewed that but....to recap. I agree with the need ( I can't speak for NW, SB, or Iso's positions), but my head is not so stuck up my politics that I can't understand their concern regarding the change to the quality of care, and I can see the screw ups and that the plan is flawed in many ways. I actually hope Obamacare works because going bankrupt due to medical bills is criminal.FYI, I happen to think Obama is doing the best he can given the circumstances and he is most certainly doing better the DubYa.
In the future, read my posts like it's Daniel Tosh speaking......"drenched in sarcasm" .....as my friend's text said today refering to the forums, "they don't get your sense of humour, they think you're serious. I know better."
FYI: Careful! GT has a rusty pitch fork and he's not afraid to use it.