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KevinDo



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lenthomas wrote:
I suppose I would embrace the deep pocket of the sail if I was performing at your level. And I'm sure I will will never perform at high levels. I'm just a 45 yr old guy trying to get back into the best sport in the world. All flat water sailing just for fun and good exercise and good friends is all I am striving for. It's the passion for the sport by the sailors themselves that makes windsurfing the best sport in the world. And that makes windsurfers the kindest and most helpful people in the world. And it's that same love for the sport that makes this forum a wonderful place to be. For me I'm going to look for a used 100 dollar 5.5-6.5 some longer harness lines and start shredding Smile


45...hahahahaa. That isn't old for a windsurfer Very Happy
Check out the classifieds here or on windance. If you have questions on the sails feel free to ask!

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

since you are close to Hatteras

Andy at Wind N-C

http://wind-nc.com/

would be a source , perhaps not a 100 sail.

Ride in OBX maybe

http://www.ridehatteras.com/

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

U2U2U2 wrote:
since you are close to Hatteras

Andy at Wind N-C

http://wind-nc.com/

would be a source , perhaps not a 100 sail.

Ride in OBX maybe

http://www.ridehatteras.com/


I can definitely recommend Andy @ Wind-NC. Many happy customers at my local spot!

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lenthomas wrote:
I suppose I would embrace the deep pocket of the sail if I was performing at your level.

It's just the opposite: deep pockets promote everything novices and many intermediates need, and are preferred for multiple types of sailing even by many experts. Anybody can enjoy a deep drafted sail; it takes more skill and aggressiveness to make a flatter sail work. Which is easier for a novice or intermediate driver to drive ... a musclecar with a big V8, a gas pedal, and an automatic transmission or a 200 HP 2-banger rice-burning tuner car with a square-wave powerband from 5,000 to 8,000 RPM, a notchy shifter, and a heavy clutch? The former is a deep-drafted B&J or wave sail, the latter a flat high-strung dedicated race sail. Flat is for top speed and extreme gust tolerance in the hands of very advanced sailors; deep is for user friendliness. After a few years of flatter sails, I had my loft of choice custom-build my 2013 quiver with extra draft depth below the booms for several reasons, with greater/earlier planing power at the top of the list. I'm perfectly willing to sacrifice a mph of absolute top speed to plane deeper into lulls and begin planing sooner out their other side. It just makes WSing easier.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

zirtaeb wrote:
I live in the SanFranciscoBayArea.
Just 3 months ago, I picked up a BRAND NEW, never been sailed, 1997 Windwing 5.8, a maybe 5 day rigged Rushwind 5.5, and a brand new North Spectro 1996 5.5.
Lots of sailors here buy stuff and then never use it.
Don't believe me? I'd say, 90% of my sails are picked up for FREE.
Still don't believe me? Ask Windoggie, who dumped those sails off, and some new Windwings from 1992.


So you are on "new" vintage gear. Wow! If you get a chance it would be great if you'd post a photo of one of your current vintage set ups. That's certainly worth looking at!

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PeconicPuffin



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lenthomas wrote:
I'm going to look for a used 100 dollar 5.5-6.5 some longer harness lines and start shredding Smile


There are a couple of good suggestions here. Posting a photo of your current rig, rigged, would help with some diagnosis, as per U2 and Kevin.

Going to Andy in Hatteras (as per a number of suggestions) is also an excellent idea. Do yourself a favor and increase your budget (if you get a $100 sail, you're going to find that after a few years you will have had several $100 sails, none of which having served you as well as one slightly more expensive sail.)

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LeeD,

I had a 1997 Windwing 5.8 Interface Wave. As it turned out, it was arguably the worst Windwing that I ever owned. It was the last of the made in the USA era, and it looked great, but unfortunately, it was a total dog of a sail. Years ago I left it on consignment at the Windwing shop in Hood River. Never heard a word since. I'm just glad that I don't have it anymore. Maybe it was a sole dud in the batch. I hope yours works out better.

Now, I have a 1999 Windwing 5.7 Race sail that's a great sail. I retired it probably better than 10 years ago, but I've still got it. I've got some Black Diamond Waves (3.9 and 4.4) and a Black Diamond Slalom (5.4) in retirement too. Going back a bit further, I've got 1992 Windwing Race sails (4.2, 4,7 and 5.2) with the 100% carbon flextop masts to go with them. I haven't used these sails for ages, but I did, I know that they would still be pretty fun to sail today, especially since I've great old boards too to match up with them.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SW, it was a 7 batten, 3 convert cam freeride sail, just gave it to a bud last week. It was missing all 3 cams, but brand new. Guy I gave it to is a confirmed no cam sailor, making a new move into flat water sailing.
I know most wave sails bigger than 5.5 work like crap. Not all, must most.
Hard to argue about the way Interface's worked, up to 5.2.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, fast old setups.
While my fav's are Spectro '97's, I've got a Gaastra '93 CourseSlalom 6.4 that matches up against anything made today. It would match up to modern 6.6-6.8 sized sails in early planing. But it's 3 lbs lighter in weight.
Since I'm a freerider, and 64 years old, ligher is better than heavier. Wind range would be 16-25mph mostly.
A slalom sailor my size might use a 7.0 in such winds.
A slalom sailor like TyPoor might use a 8.8.
No difference in speed.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One more quick question guys. And sorry if I am asking too many. I know this probably should be a new thread. My Fanatic Ultra Shark 291 ( 125 L) is in good to fair condition. I have an opportunity to purchase an old Mistral Screamer CHS ( 103 Liter I believe) in good condition for 50.00. Do you think I would still be able to uphaul the Screamer until I learn to water start? And would you consider the screamer an upgrade, downgrade or just even in performance? Thanks so much, you have all been a tremendous help. Cheers, Len
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