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zirtaeb



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EVERY good windsurfer pumps onto a plane, in flat water, in the surf zone, outside the surf, anywhere.
If you don't, you are NOT a good windsurfer.
Tells us your ability right there.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jingebritsen wrote:

usefulness in my typical mushy, onshore surf: nearly zero

they certainly do bling, but they don't add to my liking of the 11'5.


so far, after about 4-5 hrs, this is pretty much what ive found too.

jingebritsen, have you sailed the 'replacement' for the 11'5'' yet?

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

still a work in progress. wx has not been cooperating. plus, neither has my job. sure wish some really rich person would adopt me. i was a decent son the first time around, could probably improve upon that second time around.... i would be willing to do some of those tiresome son-ly duties: deal with any upsetting servant issues, manage the charities, be an expert rigging assistant.

BTW, cover the side bite cavities when running single fin. they truly do add a ton of drag. just my humble opinion: outfitting lots of boards with side bites, based on what works in ideal locations, is not productive use of resources and sets lots of consumers down a path of frustration. some come to realize what that frustration is, some don't and quit......

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jingebritsen wrote:
still a work in progress. wx has not been cooperating. plus, neither has my job. sure wish some really rich person would adopt me. i was a decent son the first time around, could probably improve upon that second time around.... i would be willing to do some of those tiresome son-ly duties: deal with any upsetting servant issues, manage the charities, be an expert rigging assistant.

BTW, cover the side bite cavities when running single fin. they truly do add a ton of drag. just my humble opinion: outfitting lots of boards with side bites, based on what works in ideal locations, is not productive use of resources and sets lots of consumers down a path of frustration. some come to realize what that frustration is, some don't and quit......


be careful what you wish for.

just my humble opinion: Exocet in their wisdom must have felt some benefit to the sidebites otherwise why bother, follow the herd ? market trend ?

as to side bites , I can think of no company that doesn't have them , several are on FSW/all rounders. My vision on freerides would be very limited use, for specific locations that would benefit from shorter fins .

Ideal location, interesting still that you think everything is designed in and for Maui. My ideal locale is where Iam rigged and ready to launch. The fins don't know the location

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i've been sailing in surf on the east coast, with a few visits to maui and oregon for 30 years. been in the waves for a good bit of that. 3 times i've sought out solutions for super steep, fast breaking waves with tons of push. 2 times it was using a smaller fin, once it was using a smaller, narrower board. i've tried lots of multi-fin boards of all sizes and lengths. so, my opinion is based on my primary research. seen others use multi-fin boards in most of the venues i've sailed in the surf. in florida, not many, okay none, have been able to do much with them versus others with single fins. on top of that, most of the multi-fin guys don't stick around for long in our humble venues, nor do they end up coming back with these specialist boards either.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

based on the PM you sent me, you need a doctor, make that psychiatrist
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i was trying to be nice by sending a pm. i asked some simple questions. how could that mean i need such help? if one wishes to put 5 fins on a board for flat water uses, then one certainly should. i was merely expressing my concern that promoting multi-fin boards for flat water app's may be a step backward for some that may not know the pro's and con's of doing so.

my comments made in public have been consistent for a long time. there are hundreds of choices for high wind waves. yet, in the USA, most sailors are flat water types. is it any wonder the industry has been failing?

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jingebritsen wrote:
i was trying to be nice by sending a pm. i asked some simple questions. how could that mean i need such help? if one wishes to put 5 fins on a board for flat water uses, then one certainly should. i was merely expressing my concern that promoting multi-fin boards for flat water app's may be a step backward for some that may not know the pro's and con's of doing so.

my comments made in public have been consistent for a long time. there are hundreds of choices for high wind waves. yet, in the USA, most sailors are flat water types. is it any wonder the industry has been failing?


your public comments on multi fins , yes are consistent, you see no need for them. your question on Starboard ........
look at star board's "light wind wave board." 80 liters? light wind where?......

you will need to ask Starboard how they arrived at that statement


my take on your nice, is you resent anyone(perhaps just me) who ""challenges"".. your word.. Based on your assumption that I//they are not qualified to have an opinion based on how often and where they sail .
I don't compete in the AWT, I am not a world class sailor, I do know what feels different under my feet, and how the board reacts to changes in fins and alignment

Your opinion of multi finned boards is unique,(they don't work anywhere) the severe critiques make a point that the single fin is better for most areas but the multi still excel in waves.

Some feel that Hood River has no waves, having seen Keith Teboul test a wave board there and the other multi fins that are common leads me to think HR has waves.


You very seldom address the topic, case in point this thread::
http://www.iwindsurf.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=27256

where the question IS if a particular fin will plane sooner than another, and you give a wonderful pro // con of weed fins .

I am entitled to my opinion and or findings, in the same manner that you or anyone else has.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a couple of older Open Oceans tri-fins, and they have glassed on side fins. I have to say though, the boards aren't really wave boards, since they're primarily designed for classic B & J sailing. Yet, fortunately for me, the side fins are what they are, and I have to admit that I've been quite happy with the benefits they offer.

More recently, with the introduction of many multi-fin boards today from all the major brands, I've noticed a dilemma of sorts for many sailors here. What are the best fin designs, and what combinations work best? This has led to a grand experiment of sorts looking for the holy grail. No doubt, its been a boon for fin manufacturers, but I'm thinking that the situation poses a complex and costly problem for many. Without being able to try before you buy, I'm thinking that it's really a guessing game for many. That's not to say that buying a single fin in the past wasn't a bit of an experiment too, but more fins just complicates things a tad more.

Maybe what's needed is a heightened focus on fin testing. Unfortunately, with our desert of magazine publications here in the US, there's only Windsport to help. While they might be able to provide us with some extensive testing and reviews, I'm thinking that maybe we should also be looking to new internet sources for review and feedback.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

their will never be a definitive answer ,

some are liking the looseness of a twin, the firmly planted feel of a quad, while retaining 'many' of the traits of a single, and the variations of 3 fins, some have never seen a trailing tri fin, let alone ridden one.

All good.

It is rocket science, and the variations make things very complicated.

The single fin won't go away, and will suit many, in many breaks/lakes/ponds.

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