Malaria, malaria control, and DDT

wynsurfer · Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 938

mac, Thanks for the fishin blues link! I saw Taj Mahal when I was 17, 44 years ago. I will never forget it. What a great artist. God bless

mac · Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 4:54 pm Post subject:

Slinky--one of the most dynamic performers ever. You are most welcome, good music deserves listeners. Pathetic posts deserve silence. For the life of me, I don't think that NW understands either the environment in general, or the battles over wind generation.

nw30 · Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 5:49 pm Post subject:

peeuno, yeah, maybe you're right, that eagle should get killed by a wind mill, after all he killed Bambi, what was I thinking.

mac · Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 10:49 am Post subject:

NW--you are just pathetic. Trolling on a site about DDT, and arguing--apparently from a Breitbart link--that enviros are killing eagles. Too bad you didn't show any discipline, or bother to read any articles other than the right wing slam. Here's the rest of the story. The take permit that was issued allowed 5 eagles over five years. In exchange for mitigation to existing PG & E transformers that are now killing substantially more eagles than that. The wildlife agencies, which are not pushovers, believe it will result in a greater overall survival of eagles.

You are comparing that to DDT, which represented an existential threat to more than just eagles. Is it that you don't understand math, or that you don't care?

mac · Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 1:56 pm Post subject:

Time to revive this thread:

mac · Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:05 pm Post subject:

After mrgybe attacked my technical background, I poked around some of his claims about DDT. I then asked myself why this theme had recurred, and who was behind it. Earlier I posted the link to Steven Milloy, whose web site presents virtually the same material used by mrgybe. Milloy is described as having close ties to oil and tobacco companies and is a Fox news regular.

Gybe denies that there are efforts to seed fake news about chemicals and global warming into the media, or at least argues that we don’t know how much is spent. That is not an accident. If you look a little deeper into the recent promotion of DDT, you find a spurt of activity starting about 2000, backed by the Competitive Enterprise Institute and Africa Fighting Malaria. The latter sounds like a group out of Africa—but it is a lobbying NGO out of DC. The big names (it only spends money on staff salaries) are Richard Tren and Roger Bate. Bate is an economist for the American Enterprise Institute with deep ties to EXXON and big tobacco. Perhaps he has an alias and posts on social media?

Tren seems to run in the same circles, see Source Watch https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Richard_Tren

Perhaps he windsurfs?

The objective of these groups, according to environmental groups who have supported use of DDT for malaria control, is to discredit government science in general and particularly related to pesticides. In that light, it makes more sense that mrgybe started his screed with a frontal attack on environmentalists, pesticide regulation, and the first head of EPA. Whether he is part of team fake news, or just a dupe, he is here to amplify their lies.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2006/sep/26/comment.oil

mac · Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:16 pm Post subject:

Does Mr. Milloy windsurf?

https://www.salon.com/2008/05/15/steve_milloy_and_rachel_carson/

mac · Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:55 am Post subject:

More news about mrgybe’s favorite chemical. The LA Times chronicles massive disposal of DDT acid sludges offshore of the Palos Verdes peninsula by Montrose chemical. I worked with Robert Riseborough, one of those cited in the article, for many years. I prefer real science to mrgybe’s junk science.

https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-coast-ddt-dumping-ground/?utm_source=CalMatters+Newsletters&utm_campaign=99d41c04f4-WHATMATTERS_NEWSLETTER&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_faa7be558d-99d41c04f4-150242853&mc_cid=99d41c04f4&mc_eid=01229ec239