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swchandler



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regarding isobars' recurring challenge for anyone to catch him being a jerk here, I'll offer the same post that I did on 12/31/11 in the earlier thread that PeconicPuffin highlighted. Why? Because it's so true. I don't think that anyone agrees with "that entire thread reinforces my points and completely denies your accusation that I denigrate anything" BS that isobars coughs up.


"I think what he left out was 'that I'll admit to' part."
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GURGLETROUSERS



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"I'm sure the O P ran and hid when PP poked the typing dragon."

It must be National Joke Week! We've had the full ration already, in only a single day. Laughing Laughing

One of the reasons I'm smitten with a favourite 118 gybing board is precisely because of its, oh so smooth, natural, long arc, banking gybe.

Who wants to be continually 'knocking the snot' out of every swell or lump of chop (just because you can) when we can gracefully dance all over them instead?
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cgoudie1



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Location: Killer Sturgeon Cove

PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup, right around the 50MPH point, it's awful darned windy for a jibe.
When it's really windy, I tend towards the Iso tight jibes, unless I can
hide behind a swell. ;*)

-Craig

techno900 wrote:
I have to admit that a few times a year when it's blowing 30-40 mph, I have chickened out at initiating a gybe because of toooo much speed and bounce, and then waited for a lull to regain my wits and make the turn. At some point, it gets scary for ALL of us.

For what it's worth.
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isobars



Joined: 12 Dec 1999
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnl wrote:
I agree I'm sure the OP ran and hid when PP poked the typing dragon...

and
PeconicPuffin wrote:
I genuinely wasn't anticipating all that typing.

That's no excuse for making an egregious false accusation just because your arguments were failing, especially at the expense of people trying to learn how to jibe.

The typing dragon would largely have ignored the PP -- just as he ignores 30 other jerks here -- if a third party's jibing progress weren't at stake.

I find it hard to understand why so many people think it's tolerable, let alone funny, to divert threads as serious as someone giving up trying to jibe just to take a swipe at someone trying to help. I get more disgusted with more people here with every passing day.
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johnl



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Location: Hood River OR

PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

isobars wrote:


The typing dragon would largely have ignored the PP -- just as he ignores 30 other jerks here -- if a third party's jibing progress weren't at stake.

I find it hard to understand why so many people think it's tolerable, let alone funny, to divert threads as serious as someone giving up trying to jibe just to take a swipe at someone trying to help. I get more disgusted with more people here with every passing day.


Really Mike? While we all like to help lets get real. Trying to learn a jibe...

1. PAY THE MONEY and take a lesson from a reputable instructor. None in your area? Take a short vacation to a place where there is one...

2. Watch a LOT of professional jibing video's. Practice, then watch again. Repeat over and over. My personal favorite is The Power Jibe. This one cleaned up my jibes after a lot of professional classes.

3. Seek unprofessional online advice.

Notice your chances of learning something are directly proportionate to the above order. Funny people will do just about anything to improve OTHER than take a class.

Edit... Oops I forgot video tape yourself. Probably fits in between #2 and #3...
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LeeD



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder how dem folkes in the early '80's learned to jibe a 90 liter 9'6" glass board in 5 months after their first ever day? I mean, like 20 out of 22 made without dunking their butts.
No lessons, no vids, just examples out in the water to copy.
I wonder how I could have made all 7 of my jibes the first day out at Crissy, in Sept. '83, on a 9' surfboard, not windsurfer, after completing my initial beginner lesson in August 31'st of that summer?
Lessons? Video's? Are you serious?
Oh, the 9' board was a surfboard 23" wide, maybe 70 liters total, not really an uphaulable board, I don't think.
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johnl



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh please. I did not say you can't learn but the odds of "a normal beginner windsurfer" progressing are related to my list. And in case you didn't know gear has changed ALOT since then and learning is actually easier.

Heck I taught myself a whitewater kayak Eskimo roll by myself in a few sessions back in the 70's after looking at pictures in a book. However it is my experience that most don't learn that way....
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noshuzbluz



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LeeD wrote:
I wonder how dem folkes in the early '80's learned to jibe a 90 liter 9'6" glass board in 5 months after their first ever day? I mean, like 20 out of 22 made without dunking their butts.
No lessons, no vids, just examples out in the water to copy.
I wonder how I could have made all 7 of my jibes the first day out at Crissy, in Sept. '83, on a 9' surfboard, not windsurfer, after completing my initial beginner lesson in August 31'st of that summer?
Lessons? Video's? Are you serious?
Oh, the 9' board was a surfboard 23" wide, maybe 70 liters total, not really an uphaulable board, I don't think.


It's funny how the older we get the more clarity we have as to what REALLY happened 30 years ago. Did you have a big L on the front of your wetsuit and your fist on your hip then too?
Just curious.

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LeeD



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoeyValera, not me, was making 90% of his jibes within 5 month of his first day. He was surfsailing at Waddell his first month.
JasonOckland and DaveGould, all 275 lbs., were sailing at Waddell within their second month of windsurfing. Both were still uphauling, but knew the steps required to waterstart.
TommyRoss, who had won the PedroPt. surf contest in 1966, was surfsailng at OceanBeach in SanFrancisco by his 3rd month of his beginner lesson.
Then g/f, who jumped from a Malibu to my 8'3" Haut wave board, sailed Lanikea, Sunset, Moks, backyards, and a few other spots within 3 months of her giving up the Malibu.
While some of my friends took forever to learn to windsurf, some of them picked it up rather quickly, and of course, dumped it quickly.
I obviously was not a fast learner. I'm still doing it 4 days a week into my 30th season.
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noshuzbluz



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry I brought it up LeeD. Really.
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