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mac



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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This deserves a little more. Dan Rather, who was certainly more widely respected than Ms. Attkisson, fell from graces when he made mistakes about George Bush's air national guard service: http://archive.mrc.org/campaign/04/rather.asp

Perhaps he was gulled, but he fell into the trap that many here have--quickly repeating something scandalous that you want to believe about somebody that you disagree with. It is not journalism, or even an act with much integrity. Think the free cell phone story, propagated by GOP operatives despite the controversy over racial issues, and repeated here by at least two.

Attkisson's sloppiness here is of the same sort.
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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2013 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nw30 wrote:
bD, you're awesome, you'll jump on anything posted here that might discredit your contention, you've got some serious dedication.
Nice 'unbiased' links BTW.
Too bad you're wrong.
But keep up the fight!
it takes only a few minutes to find information that again shows a source like Politico is nothing but Fox type no such thing as journalism.

As far as Dan Rather goes, again he reported on the truth. Bush never went on record to dispute the facts in those letters, even when he was asked by the person CBS and the white house hired to look into it, which by the way was a partisan right winger who was attonery general under Bush's father. Ya only a right winger would believe a person like that would be non-partisan.

anyway CBS removed Dan for challenging a right wing president.

And the odds that the letters information was made up by any person who did not know what was going on at that time. Well how could someone make up that there were discussions by Bush's superior officer about losing his flight status and at the right time 30 years before, or issues of physicals that the papers are missing from his record mysteriously, or the talk by his commanding officer about pressure to give him higher ratings and such. When the two living people in the world his secretary has confirmed that these discussions did occur. The odds this is not true is about a trillion to one. That the media did not bring this up is telling about the right wing media.

and the right wing former attorney general concluded that he could not prove the information was not true...
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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2013 3:02 pm    Post subject: right wing political leaders condone terrorist act against t Reply with quote

where is the media outrage about a right wing terrorist attack attempt on the President of the USA.

If the letter was from a Muslim that said he wanted to kill the President the right wing would be in favor of nuking that nation and at least invading.

But barely a peep from any right winger from every political position in government to the right wing media.

I say that by not publicly condoning this terrorist attempt to kill the president the right wingers are saying they condone this hate. And you see no one in the media that is right wing is making this point do ya....
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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2013 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John McCain goes to Syria on his support for the freedom fighters... sounds familiar?was he meeting with the next Bin Laden? He has no clue... If he would have been a liberal this would be plastered all over the media...

It turns out a person recently released from terrorist kidnappers recognized one of the people McCain was meeting in Syria. It was one of the people working with the terrorists, and still about 10 people are captive.

So are John McCains freedom fighters actually terrorists he is training to replace Bin Laden. Again Bin Laden was part of the assistance by Reagan.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/30/mccain-responds-to-syria-photo-controversy/
McCain responds to Syria photo controversy


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(CNN) It would be "regrettable" if the identities of the men photographed with Sen. John McCain in Syria this week are confirmed to be individuals responsible for a year-old kidnapping, the Arizona senator's office said in a statement Thursday.

There has been confusion and conflicting reports about who exactly the men pictured with McCain are, and whether or not they were involved in last year's kidnapping. CNN has been unable to confirm the identities of the men in the photograph. Nonetheless, McCain's office was quick to reject speculation the Republican knowingly met with men accused of the abduction.


Why isn't this all over the media that a senator is meeting with terrorists? If I owned the media it would be front page.... every day till he was removed from office...
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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2013 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BD--I don't buy it. I believe that George Bush took advantage of his political connections to minimize his exposure to the military disciplinary system and the risk of war. In that he wasn't unlike many sons of politicians. His Yale career made it abundantly clear that he was not gifted intellectually, he was not a hard worker, and he had no burning curiosity about anything other than the color at the bottom of a beer bottle. But believing those things is one thing, reporting them without a level of certainty commensurate with journalistic standards is another. We expect journalists to check their facts, and editors to insist on it. Well most of us do, NW, Isobars, and mrgybe simply expect their sources to say outrageous things about Obama, whether true or not.
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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2013 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
We expect journalists to check their facts, and editors to insist on it. Well most of us do, NW, Isobars, and mrgybe simply expect their sources to say outrageous things about Obama, whether true or not.

Yea, that's it, you hit the nail right on the head,,,,,,, actually it glanced off to the left and bent the nail.
The sad part is, you believe your own assumptions.

Why is it that BHO doesn't share your trust in the journalists?
Maybe the AP could enlighten you.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The mcain story not on the news which proves the media is hard right?
Does the fact that the photo is front page on the paper here, featured on Yahoo news,saw it twice last night on CNN and read long article in the NWT prove that is wrong?
Or do those proofs only go one way?
You saw it on the news, that's why you are reporting to us, right?
Or were you there in Syria?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The mcain story not on the news which proves the media is hard right?
Does the fact that the photo is front page on the paper here, featured on Yahoo news,saw it twice last night on CNN and read long article in the NWT prove that is wrong?
Or do those proofs only go one way?
You saw it on the news, that's why you are reporting to us, right?
Or were you there in Syria?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
BD--I don't buy it. I believe that George Bush took advantage of his political connections to minimize his exposure to the military disciplinary system and the risk of war. In that he wasn't unlike many sons of politicians. His Yale career made it abundantly clear that he was not gifted intellectually, he was not a hard worker, and he had no burning curiosity about anything other than the color at the bottom of a beer bottle. But believing those things is one thing, reporting them without a level of certainty commensurate with journalistic standards is another. We expect journalists to check their facts, and editors to insist on it. Well most of us do, NW, Isobars, and mrgybe simply expect their sources to say outrageous things about Obama, whether true or not.


How can you not buy it. The information in those letters fit the required information and dates perfectly. And again the only other two people alive that confirmed that these discussions of Killian being pressured and he resented it were one a person involved and the secretary at the time. Only two other people living could have known about these events. and the secretary and the other person remembered these and the secretary even went on 60 minutes to acknowledge it. And no one ever said she was lying. Because she was not lying.

Now again in forensics of documents what they do is see if anything does not fit the timeline. For instance was a physical required that a document eluded to. Well it turns out yes one would have been required, yet there was no record of it. So why did Bush lose his flight status. and how did someone know there was not a good reason on record that could have shown the documents were not accurate.

again the odds of those papers being made up that the secretary did remember the discussions in the office about Killian being pressured and not liking it. How in the world could someone make that up and it not be true. it is impossible... on a fly on the wall could have written those documents that people remember the events 40 years later.

again even the right wing former attorney general under Bushes father said he could not prove these documents information was not accurate.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lets see if the right wing media hits this from this slant.... which I believe is a viable one..

The military intelligence defense contracting are just throwing money to any right winger to keep people poor. They do not care about america and its security. They know that wasteful bloated spending destroys american competitiveness.

Here is the guy who is the whistle-blower with no advanced education working for a contractor making $200,000.00 a year. His prior experience was a security guard (IE a janitor level IQ education requirement)

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2041144/former-cia-assistant-edward-snowden-outs-himself-as-nsa-whistleblower.html#tk.nl_today

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Snowden lived in Hawaii before he jumped into the whistleblower abyss. But three weeks ago he copied the documents that were later disclosed, and on May 20 left behind a girlfriend and a salary of roughly $200,000, and flew to Hong Kong, where he remains.


We have heard these contractors paid outrageous amounts in war areas paying 5 times more than our military personnel. Well this guy was living in Hawaii and just typing on a computer without any formal education.
Lets see if the right wing owned and paid off media investigates this, or maybe they can find some other think about Obama to Hawaii birth certificate and cover the Donald who had this so called dirt... .

the contractor has 12,000 employees like this guy who has only a high school degree was it GED.
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