the big lie "the media is liberal"

[MalibuGuru]

Here's the problem. You could represent that low taxes spur faster economic growth, which in turn will help mothers and children. You could also say that a policy of redistribution will fill their tummys (for a year or two), until they starve....because businesses will shutter their doors.

That pesky 1st amendment keeps getting in our way.

When will you admit that a flat tax gets rid of (most) lobbyists, Pacs, dirty dealing and the like. Look at it this way, at least GE and Apple would pay taxes.

[keycocker]

I have never seen a Beck rally but I spoke to a guy who attended one.
He was breathless about Becks magnificent intellect. He said beck had the solution to all problems but "they" were preventing that, along with many other conspiracies.
He spent more than an hour explaining all the dreadful opinions held by all liberals.Did you know liberals plan to kill the children of conservatives through withholding health care for conservatives babies?
He got 100 percent of his ideas from Talk Radio, including the conspiracies against Bachman who was also a visionary.
His list of traitors extended to so many groups of people, he finally said yes he did consider most US Citizens to be traitors who should be dealt with.
is a person who considers you "a traitor to be dealt with" an enemy of yours?
The guy said he was an accountant. Perhaps the next time I trust an accountant with my money ,I should check to see whether he thinks I deserve to be executed for my political views.

[keycocker]

I liked the idea of a Flat Tax until Factcheck explained the details to me.
The Devil is in those details.
The key problem with a flat tax is that it does not reduce taxes.
It redistributes the bill to folks who can barely survive now, away from the corps who pay most taxes now.
The gov bill we owe through taxes remains the same.
Various ideas for giving allowances and exceptions to keep dirt poor folks from paying part of the corps current tax bills would shift those taxes to the middle class. Adding more exemptions to fix that and soon you have a complex system like the one we have now.
Our current system does have flat rates like a flat tax but it has grown so complex it is foolish, and a flat tax would need to do the same to retain the current distribution.

[mrgybe]

[MalibuGuru]

Many corporations pay no taxes anyway. You could tax everything but food, and start at a 30k level before the flat tax started. Someone making 60k would pay an effective rate of 4.5% with the 9-9-9 rate proposed by Cain.

That guy was certainly crazy, but his tax plan made sense.

BTW, the Tea Party is marching around the country today at IRS offices. I doubt they'll need the police for anything more serious than finding a lost child.

[swchandler]

Bard, by bringing up Cain, I know that you're lost in a world of nonsense. I think that most thoughtful folks realize that a progressive income tax system distributes tax obligations more fairly based on income levels. That's not to say that we don't need to overhaul things as they now stand. Also, I think that it's clear that the reduced tax rates that we've had since the Bush Tax Cuts were passed are far too low for all income groups. That's a big reason why we have the deficit and debt levels we do right now. Although the Great Recession has worked to exacerbate our problems greatly, we still need higher tax rates and an improved economy to begin to turn our situation around. Believe me, paying less in taxes will not solve our problems.

[real-human]

[keycocker]

I guess I am confused on the part where we pay less taxes but still cover our debts.
How do we pay the bills unless we take in the same amount in taxes?
Large Corps presently pay most of those taxes for certain. Would you like a link on that.?

Rich people would pay less at 4.5% percent for sure along with nearly all middle class people.
When everyone pays less, how does that pay the bills?

[MalibuGuru]

Only 1-2% of the people are rich. You could tax them at 100% like they do in France and all you'll get in 100% of the people poor. The rich are moving out of France in droves thanks to the Euro Union.

[swchandler]

Where are all the rich French going, and what are they spending their money on?