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Harness line length, is 22 in. too short?
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cgoudie1



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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, nobody but me ;*)

-Craig

techno900 wrote:
Funny no one has mentioned seat or waist harness. Waist - the hook is higher = shorter lines. Seat - the hook is lower = longer lines.
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boggsman1



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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt Prichard uses 28" lines, and his analysis , included in the above link is pretty interesting. His focus is on opening up the sail, giving it more power and allowing to sail a smaller sail. I switched to 26" lines , and I love it , I dont feel so pinned to my sail...also allows me to use my 4.7 in 5.0-5.5 conditions.
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kmf



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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am trying 28 inch mono lines, and find them great. They take a bit to get used to, but they allow me a lot more freedom of movement while in the harness. I'm not going back.

KMF
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beaglebuddy



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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm 6'5 1/2" 100KG and use 28" lines, fist width apart. My boom is also at the very top of the cut out. Seat harness but the hook is right even with my belly button, which seems similar to a waist harness. I have the Dakine lines that you tie a knot in, they started very long and I have been shortening them before settling in at 28" but I may try and shorten them another inch, we will see. To me it seems when powered up and comfortably settled in one's arms should be nearly straight when grasping the boom close to the harness lines
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exgolfer



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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 3:23 pm    Post subject: harness line length Reply with quote

this from guy cribs, hard to argue with the research...

http://www.guycribb.com/userfiles/documents/Tuning-%20long%20lines.pdf
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zirtaeb



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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I"m 5'11", expert freeride sailor, use a low seat harness, and 22" lines.
But for Formula, add 4" and raise the boom by that much.
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biffmalibu



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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 12:12 am    Post subject: lines Reply with quote

I predict this topic will go 100+ pages. Laughing Referring to that pro blog is probably a good idea, although I confess I have not read it.

How about trying some adjustable lines? I remember that is how I figured out what I liked. Also, as I got better (and less afraid of getting launched from a standing position), I shortened my lines. I think smaller people with less ballast and less leverage are wise to use longer lines when progressing from beginner to intermediate.

For the longest time, I resisted using lines at all. This taught me to trim my sail and walk the board. And it made me strong like ox. Da!
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surfersteve



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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Biff,
Your 100 page prediction sounds pretty accurate. It can be shortened if people review posts already made to avoid duplication. i.e. adjustable lines. See you on the water with some length of predetermined lines.
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hilton08



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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess I'm "old school" still using 18" lines (with a waist harness) which is funny because 15 years ago the short lines were "new school". Maybe in another 15 years everyone will be back to shorter lines.
I think longer lines do allow you to get "hiked out" with your weight hanging off the rig for more efficient slalom style sailing.
For wave/swell riding when you are hooking in and out a lot, I think a more upright stance with more weight on your feet and shorter lines keeping you closer to the sail makes for a smoother transition between being hooked in and unhooked.
I do have 20" lines on my bigger boom for lighter winds (no swell to ride), and for your height, 22" lines should be fine if they work for your style of riding.


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cgoudie1



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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Much like Mr. Malibu, I started with long lines in the Gorge, and rode them for about 10 years, after that I started shortening them up, about
an inch at a time, until I settled on something in the 22-24 inch range.
20" are too short, and 26" just a little long for my style of riding.

I think it somewhat comical, when people suggest it's a "stuck at intermediate" way to deal with Gorge conditions. To those insisting that,
I would say long lines are an intermediate crutch for those too slow
to deal with the magnitude of forces there.

To any one else, I'd recommend changing your lines by an inch at a time
(you can do this experimentally with standard rope, until you find the right length to buy) both directions from where you have them now, until you like the feel. Might be 20 inches, might be 30, might be somewhere in between.

The OP wanted to know if 22" was to short for a 6'4" guy. If it were me,
I'd try it and see.

p.s. Did I mention that long lines really increase your number of jibectomies, even with really bent knees.

-Craig
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