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boggsman1



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

techno900 wrote:
boggs said:
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"California will look like Cyprus soon"

About as clueless a comment as Ive ever seen, and I've read thousands of ISO's, so its pretty clueless.


I guess a little sarcasm or overstating a point to make a point isn't a good idea. In the most simplified terms, my point was/is - California isn't a good example of how to solve problems, including financial as Mac suggested.

Reducing co2 is fine, but if we spend billions to do it and there is no impact on global warming, then what? Is it the co2 or is it a natural cycle that is warming the planet? Fully understand the problem before you try to solve it makes sense to me.

I appreciate that Techno. Whenever people insult my beloved paradise, my panties get in a wad.
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isobars



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

techno900 wrote:
California isn't a good example of how to solve problems, including financial as Mac suggested.

More proof is today's discussions of the Alameda County administrator who just retired at almost a half-million bucks a year. People like mac actually vote for this BS. ... but blame the bankruptcy of countless CA cities on Bush, or low taxes, or Krakatoa, or the GOP.
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mac



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good response techno. You continued to ignore the costs of adapatation, whether we do something about CO2 or not, returned to talking points, made wild accusations about costs, and didn't take the conversation forward. Mrgybe would approve. So would Mitt.

After 30 years of science, we fully understand the problem. A huge amount of CO2 has been released, and at least half of warming is caused by those releases. The oceans are trapping some, so the models that don't account for that are wrong--but then the oceans are acidifying, with pretty scary implications. Not doing something will cost huge amounts.

Paranoia is a disease, not a science.
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MULLDE102f



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

isobars wrote:
People like mac actually vote for this BS.[/i] ... but blame the bankruptcy of countless CA cities on Bush, or low taxes, or Krakatoa, or the GOP.


Actually, we blame it on Proposition 99, the anti-tax measure masterminded by Grover Norquist, that stripped income from cities and counties. We now enjoy the spectacle of people in multi-million dollar houses paying a couple of thousand a year in taxes, while the schools in their cities go broke (no problem, their kids are in top private schools).

Oh, and Mike, if you're so offended by people getting money for not working, why not give up that disability scam you're pulling. We assume it must be a scam, because after you let it slip so many years ago, you've steadfastly refused to answer any questions about it.

So here's another chance. Let's hear it.

Mike?

Mike?............
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slinky



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We can't keep shitting in the nest. There's no where else to go. Those most responsible for the problem most vehemently deny it. Pay someone enough and they will say anything. Scientists included. Work for the carbon industry? Better produce evidence they want to hear. How anyone can believe that burning stuff that took billions of years to form, in a few hundred ,will have no impact on our home is beyond belief! Just how stupid are we? We are living in the stone age still. The only difference is that there are 7,000,000,000 people burning shit now, at an allarming rate.

Yes a huge amoint of CO2 has been released in the last 200 years.

Acidification of the oceans will have enormous consequences.

We will pay an enormous price for our folly.
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isobars



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

slinky wrote:
We will pay an enormous price for our folly.

That's no way to talk about mac's president.
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slinky



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

good thing you still have you sense of humor isobars! Good one.
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techno900



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking of disabilities: From - July 2012 http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/americans-joining-disability-outpaces-americans-finding-jobs_648660.html
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A new chart set to be released by the Republican side of the Senate Budget Committee details an alarming fact: In the last three months, more Americans have joined disability than have found a job:

As the chart shows, between April-June 2012, an estimated 246,000 Americans were added to Social Security's disability insurance program. In that same time period, only 225,000 American jobs were created.

These alarming numbers, though, are part of a wider trend, as another chart, also set to be released later today, from the Republican side of the Senate Budget Committee shows:

As this chart shows, since 2008, 3.6. million Americans have been added to Social Security's disability insurance program. In that same time period, a net total of 1.3 million jobs were lost.

"Amazingly, while fewer Americans are working than at the end of 2008, 3.6 million Americans have been awarded SSDI benefits over the same period. The growing number of people on disability and other federal benefits, combined with weak economic growth, raises serious concerns about the sustainability of the American economy," Senator Jeff Sessions, ranking member of the Senate Budget Committee, says in a statement in response to these new numbers.


It would appear as jobs disappear and become harder to find, one solution is to try and get SSDI benefits, which equals a smaller workforce and more dependence on government. Of course many of these now on SSDI were working, but as soon as the jobs disappear, their "disabilities" become more critical. What a coincidence.
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pueno



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

techno900 wrote:
Speaking of disabilities: ....... Of course many of these now on SSDI were working, but as soon as the jobs disappear, their "disabilities" become more critical. What a coincidence.

So, are you for disability payments or against disability payments?

Or, are you for them when they're paid to you, family, or friends but against payments to all others?

Oh, BTW....... from Wikipedia: "The Weekly Standard is an American neoconservative opinion magazine published 48 times per year. Its founding publisher, News Corporation....."

So, more feces from the far right.
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coboardhead



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

techno900 wrote:
Speaking of disabilities: From - July 2012 http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/americans-joining-disability-outpaces-americans-finding-jobs_648660.html
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A new chart set to be released by the Republican side of the Senate Budget Committee details an alarming fact: In the last three months, more Americans have joined disability than have found a job:

As the chart shows, between April-June 2012, an estimated 246,000 Americans were added to Social Security's disability insurance program. In that same time period, only 225,000 American jobs were created.

These alarming numbers, though, are part of a wider trend, as another chart, also set to be released later today, from the Republican side of the Senate Budget Committee shows:

As this chart shows, since 2008, 3.6. million Americans have been added to Social Security's disability insurance program. In that same time period, a net total of 1.3 million jobs were lost.

"Amazingly, while fewer Americans are working than at the end of 2008, 3.6 million Americans have been awarded SSDI benefits over the same period. The growing number of people on disability and other federal benefits, combined with weak economic growth, raises serious concerns about the sustainability of the American economy," Senator Jeff Sessions, ranking member of the Senate Budget Committee, says in a statement in response to these new numbers.


It would appear as jobs disappear and become harder to find, one solution is to try and get SSDI benefits, which equals a smaller workforce and more dependence on government. Of course many of these now on SSDI were working, but as soon as the jobs disappear, their "disabilities" become more critical. What a coincidence.


Techno...careful here. Your source forgot to mention the 170,000 folks that were taken off disabiliity in the same period (April to June 2012). Isn't this the type of selective statistic that you complained about just a couple posts ago?

http://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/dibStat.html

Yes, there is a correlation between recessions and disablity applications and awards. The numbers are just not as large as your post indicates. This site has a lot of useful info. Such as, the rate of disability awards has been stabilizing and dropping the last couple of years.
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