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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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2010 was the third biggest year for natural gas well permits in Colorado.

Thanks 100% to programs set in concrete under Bush.


No...thanks to the energy market which facilitated some innovative engineering. Did GW invent fracking?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

coboardhead wrote:
isobars wrote:
coboardhead wrote:
2010 was the third biggest year for natural gas well permits in Colorado.

Thanks 100% to programs set in concrete under Bush.


No...thanks to the energy market which facilitated some innovative engineering. Did GW invent fracking?


No, “W” doesn’t understand fracking any better than he did the basics of the English language, but Uncle Dick did get him to help out his buddies at KBR and put in place rules that allow oil companies to pump toxic substances into the ground without disclosing what they are, because they are “trade secrets”. That way, the EPA can’t prove that the ground water is contaminated, because they are legally bound from knowing what to test for. You have to marvel at the diabolical genius of the whole thing……

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iso embarassed? That would suggest introspection. Not going to happen.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rigitrite wrote:
coboardhead wrote:
isobars wrote:
coboardhead wrote:
2010 was the third biggest year for natural gas well permits in Colorado.

Thanks 100% to programs set in concrete under Bush.


No...thanks to the energy market which facilitated some innovative engineering. Did GW invent fracking?


No, “W” doesn’t understand fracking any better than he did the basics of the English language, but Uncle Dick did get him to help out his buddies at KBR and put in place rules that allow oil companies to pump toxic substances into the ground without disclosing what they are, because they are “trade secrets”. That way, the EPA can’t prove that the ground water is contaminated, because they are legally bound from knowing what to test for. You have to marvel at the diabolical genius of the whole thing……


Colorado has taken this issue head on and requires disclosure of, at least, the chemical families of the fracking liquid to allow independent monitoring.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad that Colorado is tackling the fracking fluid problem. BTW, my company is building the DCP Midstream Gas Processing Plant near Greely, CO……and I’m still in favor of regulation. We drink well water at my father in-laws house up by Lory State Park, so I feel for all people who depend on well water.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Glad that Colorado is tackling the fracking fluid problem. BTW, my company is building the DCP Midstream Gas Processing Plant near Greely, CO……and I’m still in favor of regulation. We drink well water at my father in-laws house up by Lory State Park, so I feel for all people who depend on well water.


I agree that regulations on fracking have lagged the technology. Too bad the Feds could not get their act together and develop national standards, leaving it up to states to figure this out.

My earlier point, in response to Mrgybe, was that these regulations add cost to products, but do not, necessarily stop the development of new sources of energy. You also mentioned this.

During college I worked summers for a major oil company as a roustabout and then as a facilities engineer. Without exception, my fellow employees were extremely careful and respectful of the safety and environmental regulations. Same attitude from several engineers, including you, on this forum. Strange, isn't it, that those of us that that work with these regulations the most are the least afraid of them?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rigitrite wrote:
5. Gasoline will never be $10/gallon, at that price, we would be gassifing coal and making synthetic gasoline, I believe the price point of synth-gasoline is about $7.50/gallon, and remember, we're the Saudi Arabia of coal. If we have to start down that road, it'll get even cheaper as we build up capacity. We'll never run out of gasoline, it will probably get more expensive though, just don't believe that panic that isobars is selling.

Selling? No ... parroting ... quoting some of the few economists who predicted the 2007/8 bubble collapses in time to not only avoid them but greatly prosper from them. Did you get rich, as they did, when the real estate, stock market, private debt, and consumer discretionary bubbles burst? Let's hope they're wrong about gasoline prices, despite Obama's stated goal of "European gas prices" in order to force his green agenda on us.

What good is our plentiful supply of coal now that regulations are already passed which will prevent any new mines and slowly, deliberately squeeze out the existing ones? Do you guys really think Obama's record rate of new regulations (5 to 8 times the rates of Bush or Clinton) are in the nation's best interest, rather than heavy in social agendas?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

coboardhead wrote:
isobars wrote:
coboardhead wrote:
2010 was the third biggest year for natural gas well permits in Colorado.

Thanks 100% to programs set in concrete under Bush.


No...thanks to the energy market which facilitated some innovative engineering.

You may be discussing some issue unique to CO. You do know, I presume, that the "expanded drilling since I took office" Obama keeps boasting about was confined to certain state lands. The only significant new drilling on federal lands since 2008 was set so solidly in irrevocable stone by Bush that his successor hadn't the authority to stop it. All he can do is falsely take credit for it ... over ... and over .... and over ... and over ...
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mrgybe........You place the blame squarely on the regulatory environment.

When?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I'm asserting is that there are lots of reasons that energy companies choose to invest or not in the development of energy sources and technology rather than blaming it soley on the regulatory environment.

As an example...I had a number of electrial substation (for gas wells) projects on my desk in 2008. They were cancelled well before the election due to the economic crash that year. Seems that wasn't Obama's fault, since he had not even been nominated at the time. This was due to simple economics...not regulations.

I would like to see a credible source that shows that the Obama Administration is writing 5 to 8 times the regs of Clinton or Bush on the energy industry. (the topic at hand).

Since you also seem to know a lot about coal mines, could you enlighten me on which ones will be closed, and why?
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