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boggsman1



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess Tech is back!
http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-record-home-sale-20130128,0,3802279.story
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DanWeiss



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevenbard wrote:
When you think about it, it might be better to take away all the handguns and give everyone an ar-15. It sounds crazy, but handguns kill 20 times as many people than all rifles combined....
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It's not crazy, its only logical because there are so many more handguns than long guns. That proves nothing other than handing out a semi rifle to everyone in exchange for a handgun will just ramp up those killed by the rifle. Duh, as they say.

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isobars



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nw30 wrote:
Milwaukee County sheriff: Don't wait for the police; arm yourselves
By Matt Pearce
On Friday, the nominally Democratic sheriff issued a recorded public safety announcement on the radio and on the Web that encouraged residents to take their lives into their own hands.


Classic liberal media for ya! IN WHO THE HELL ELSE'S HANDS BUT OUR OUR OWN ARE OUR LIVES? Certainly not the police; they can't be everywhere, and even if present they can act only to intervene during an ongoing crime or clean up after it. The only person likely to be right there when someone assaults us is US.

Florida: record high concealed carry permits and record low violent crime.
http://tinyurl.com/ao43v8r

A bud camping at Jones Beach on the Columbia, on the phone to the Sheriff: "My family of four is being assaulted by several pickup-loads of inbred locals. My other hand is pointing my cocked 12 gauge at my RV doorknob; if it turns, I drop the phone and fire as fast as I can find targets."

Sheriff: "I'm doing over 100, but I'm 40 minutes away. If you have to, fire away."

GD right! And legions of sheriffs are on record refusing to enforce any gun bans they feel endanger their citizens and/or are unconstitutional. Just like in the military by precedent at Nuremberg and ever since then, that's their job; obeying an unlawful order is no excuse for breaking the law. There's also that bit about protecting the public.

I'm emailing every bumper sticker and T-shirt logo company I can find online with this phrase:
A GUN-FREE ZONE IS A KILL ZONE.
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slinky



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing that perplexes me is that Japan, a country with virtually no guns, has the lowest gun related deaths in the industrialized world. Their murder and crime rates are also extreemly low. Being a social democracy as well, with socialized medicine etc. I wonder what could account for this? Could it be almost entirely due to cultural differences?
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zirtaeb



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't be so quick to read the signs.
Japan has tons of violence, the Yakaza, lots of gang violence, big industry crime, just not reported.
Talk to any Japanese person.
They use sticks, knifes, and swords, no so much guns.
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isobars



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

slinky wrote:
a country with virtually no guns, has the lowest gun related deaths in the industrialized world

Think about that. The statement answers itself even despite their (publicly) uberpolite culture.
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keycocker



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Belize had only hunting rifles when I moved there 30 years ago.
Each bullet was a separate criminal charge. A guy with a single big magazine AR15 would face 51 counts of illegal possession.
The murder rate was 2.5 a year. Two knives and one poisoning .
The Belizians returning from the US brought guns with them.
Criminals stole them from honest folks homes.
This year over 300 in a tiny country, entirely with pistols.
Most folks never get to live in a country without guns.it makes you feel much more safe.
The locals know about the NRA in the States and many think they are complicit in hundreds of thousands of gun deaths.
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nw30



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let the indoctrination begin!!!
They must fear guns so that their generation will banish them forever!
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Cary Grove Drill To Include Shooting Blanks In Hallways
January 29, 2013 9:49 AM

UPDATED: 1/29/2013 – 4:30 p.m.

CHICAGO (CBS) — A school shooting drill planned for tomorrow in the far northwestern suburbs has many parents upset.

According to a letter from Cary-Grove High School principal Jay Sargeant, there will be a code red drill at the school on Wednesday.

It will include somebody shooting blanks from a gun in the hallway “in an effort to provide our teachers and students some familiarity with the sound of gunfire.”

CBS 2’s Derrick Blakley reports, during the drill, teachers will keep students in their rooms, lock their doors, and draw their curtains. Police will sweep the building, while someone will fire two shots – blanks – from a starter pistol.

Cary Police Chief Steven Casstevens said, “From the school’s request, they want to let the students know what the sound of gunshot might be, should that occur in their school.”

But any gunfire at a school – even blanks – had some parents and students shaking their heads.

Parent Kassy Pinter said, “It’s probably necessary to have the ‘code red’ drill, but not really necessary to shoot the blanks in the hallway.”

Parent Sharon Miller said the way Cary Grove has planned the code red drill is absurd and also thinks it’s not necessary to shoot blanks in the hallway.

“If you need to run a drill, you run a drill,” she told WBBM Newsradio’s Bernie Tafoya. “They run fire drills all the time, but they don’t run up and down the hallway with a flamethrower.”

Parents were also concerned about some students getting too upset during the exercise.

Pinter and Miller both also pointed out that not all guns sound alike, ranging from a light popping sound to a loud bang.

The parents were also concerned about the notification letter from the school. Pinter said she did not receive it in her email. Miller said she’s the only one of the parents she knows who has received it.

Some in the school community endorse the idea.

Substitute teacher Debbie Gummerson said, “Let’s put the kids through some training, and maybe we could save some lives that way, should something ever happen.”

Parent Dina Coutre said, “Nowadays it’s better to be safe than sorry.”

School spokesman Jeff Puma said the small number of parents who have contacted the school are evenly split for and against the drill. He said another notification will be going out today, and teachers will discuss the drill plans with students during classes.

Puma said the school has worked closely with the Cary Police Department on the drill plans.

“It was their recommendation that we do this in order to create the knowledge necessary to keep our students safe in an active crisis situation,” Puma said.

Pinter and Miller also said they don’t like the way police recommend students to be “sitting ducks” in their classrooms if there’s a shooter in their school.

They said they’d always taught their children to find a way out of the school if they’re not near where the shooting is going on–to run out a door or climb out a window.

Puma said, “I don’t believe there would be any school that would tell you to do that, and that’s coming from police and emergency management officials.”

Last year, Community High School District 155 also used simulated gunshots at another emergency drill at Crystal Lake South High School, but only faculty and staff were present, not students.

The full email:

Dear parents:

At Cary-Grove and across District 155, we make your child’s safety our number one priority each day. As a parent, I can assure you that we understand our responsibility to return your child safely at the end of each day. While we take many preventative steps to keep our building secure, we also practice our response should a crisis arise. Some examples include meetings with first responders, a comprehensive crisis response plan, and simulations. We are planning a code red simulation on Wednesday, January 30. We feel it is important to explain the simulation to you in advance so that you and your child might be able to better understand what will take place on Wednesday.

The simulation will take approximately 15-20 minutes, during which time teachers will secure their rooms, draw curtains, and keep their students from traveling throughout the building. Please note that we will be firing blanks in the hallway in an effort to provide our teachers and students some familiarity with the sound of gunfire. Our school resource officer and other members of the Cary Police Department will assist us in sweeping the building to ensure that all students are in a secure location during the drill. At the conclusion of the drill, we will take some time to process what occurred and then we will return to our normal classroom routine.

I encourage you to discuss the drill with your student both before it happens and after. These drills help our students and staff to be prepared should a crisis occur, but it may cause some students to have an emotional reaction. In those cases, your voice may provide reassurances of the drill’s importance. Additionally, we have trained social workers on staff who can speak directly with your child should he or she need added support.

Should you have any questions, please contact me or any member of the Cary-Grove’s administrative team. Together, we can keep our school a safe place for your child to learn and grow.

Sincerely,

Jay Sargeant
Principal

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/01/29/cary-grove-drill-to-include-shooting-blanks-in-hallways/
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isobars



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nw30 wrote:
Cary Police Chief Steven Casstevens said, “From the school’s request, they want to let the students know what the sound of gunshot might be, should that occur in their school.”

But any gunfire at a school – even blanks – had some parents and students shaking their heads.

Parent Kassy Pinter said, “It’s probably necessary to have the ‘code red’ drill, but not really necessary to shoot the blanks in the hallway.”

Parent Sharon Miller said the way Cary Grove has planned the code red drill is absurd and also thinks it’s not necessary to shoot blanks in the hallway.

In Newtown, some of the teachers didn't know what the popping sounds were at first. Maybe quicker recognition may have saved a life ... or several.

Some people go through life as frightened sheep. I wonder if they can discuss menstruation, conservatives, or trans fats with their under-30 children.
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NickB



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As the parent of a kid in public elementary school, I think it makes sense to shoot blanks in the context of such an announced drill.
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