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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Scores of large chains laying off workers, cutting workers' hours back to <28 hrs/wk, raising employee-paid health care insurance premiums by 33%, adding 5% "Obamacare" surcharges to restaurant bills ... some of that may be opportunism, but competition will weed that minority, if it exists, out. Good going, boss.

On the bright side, the Teamsters' Union may make us healthier by permanently shutting down Hostess by striking while Hostess is reorganizing under bankruptcy. Another 18,000 jobs on the line today thanks to union greed. Good going, boss; you keep on sucking up to these leeches.

seriously iso, you have not one shed of intellectual ability in reasoning. No offense.

But I would rate you one step below a lemming.....

What? you want everyone to work with walmart benefits don't you. Because they are a right wing trust fund kids you and anti-union they are heroes to you. What, they are the new number one in retail sales and what percent of the employees are part time, and that is your american model?

That in a year about 80 percent of the walmart workers are on welfare because they the most profitable retailer pays slave non livable wages and thats is what you want for america. These are people who are working and this is what your trust fund kids have in mind for americans.

Walmart's employees receive $2.66 billion in government help every year, or about $420,000 per store. They are also the top recipients of Medicaid in numerous states. Why does this occur? Walmart fails to provide a livable wage and decent healthcare benefits, costing U.S. taxpayers an annual average of $1.02 billion in healthcare costs. This direct public subsidy is being given to offset the failures of an international corporate giant who shouldn’t be shifting part of its labor costs onto the American taxpayers.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the satisfaction I have gotten over the election results, one of my few regrets is that mrgybe hasn't stepped up to the plate to eat his plate of crow, lightly salted. If we think back, he spent quite a bit of effort explaining how the Catholic bishops understand the importance of religious freedom, and would explain it to the laity, who would send Obama into retirement. So how did they do?

Well, the Bishops seem about as pursuasive with their flock as the gybester is here:

(Reuters) - Post-election polling shows U.S. Roman Catholics were as likely to favor President Barack Obama as the general population in 2012, continuing the Catholic record as the bellwether of the popular vote.

Catholics - the country's largest religious group with one-quarter of the population - have supported the winner of the popular vote in every election since 1972.

Reuters/Ipsos exit polling found that 51 percent of Catholics favored President Barack Obama, compared with 48 percent for Republican contender Mitt Romney. A report by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public
Life had a similar finding, with 50 percent of Catholics for Obama and 48 percent for Romney, the same as the popular vote in the general population.

Hispanic Catholics were far more likely to favor Obama - by 76 percent to 23 percent - than white Catholics, who favored Romney by 56 percent to 43 percent, according to the Reuters poll. Black Protestants favored Obama by 97 percent to 3 percent, while white Protestants favored Romney by 69 percent compared to 29 percent for Obama.

"When you talk about Catholics, there are really two Catholic votes, the white vote and the Hispanic vote, which look starkly different," said Robert Jones, chief executive of the Public Religion Research Institute. He said exit polls found that overall, voters were focused mainly on economic

This election year saw strong advocacy on the conservative side of some issues by Catholic bishops, which caused discomfort for liberal Catholics. The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops protested the Obama administration's health care mandate which requires Catholic hospitals and colleges to carry insurance that provides free contraception as a violation of religious liberty.

Church leaders also protested against same-sex marriage, which was on the ballot in four states. Some individual bishops took exceptionally strong positions, with Springfield, Illinois Bishop Thomas Paprocki warning his flock that if they voted for someone who promotes abortion their souls would be in jeopardy.

The bishops' stands did not seem to have much influence on the vote, said Jones. Catholic attitudes on the healthcare mandate were unchanged in March and September polls, despite advocacy by church leaders.

"If the (Republican Party) has some reflecting to do about its inability to reach an increasingly multicultural country, Catholic leaders could benefit from similar soul searching when it comes to their own diverse flock," said John Gehring, Catholic program director at Faith in Public Life, a liberal advocacy group.

Some Catholic bishops and nuns also protested the budget plan of Republican vice-presidential candidate Paul Ryan, a Catholic, because of cuts to anti-poverty programs.

Catholic support for Obama was stronger in 2008, with 54 percent going for the Democrat compared with 45 percent for Republican contender John McCain, Pew reported. But this also reflected the population at large.

Well if it wasn't about religious freedom, and the Catholic voters in America continue to ignore the bishops, as they long have on birth control, what is their hysteria about? I think Randy Newman explains it. It's money that matters. According to an article by Rob Boston, the Catholic Church has turned increasingly to performing government-like functions in order to make money. The US Conference of Catholic Bishops got a grant in 2006, from Shrub, to dole out $19 million to oversee government services to relieve women who had been forced into involuntary labor and prostitution. But of course, they denied such women referrals for abortion or birth control. Jusdt the tip of the iceberg--Catholic charities of various stripes got $2.9 billion from the government in 2010--62% of its total budget. But, many on the right argue, that's ok because churches are so much more efficient than governmental agencies. Perhaps that can be subscribed to inside the bubble--but it turns out that, at least in the matter of the bishops helping women who had been abused--the organization spent about a third of the money on administration.

Of course freedom of religion includes freedom from religion. And it includes the unfettered right of churches to impose qualifications on those it serves with charitable donations it solicits on its own. And it includes the ability to politic from the pulpit--but not to then claim an exemption from taxation. The Bishops have evolved the church into an institution that depends on governmental funding to cover much of its administrative overhead--but then wants to behave as if it can discriminate without compunction in the granting of those funds.

It is hardly surprising to find the Catholic bishops to be as hypocritical as many other elements of the right. It is, however, heartening to see the American--and Catholic voters--reject the transparent hypocrisy of the good old boys.
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