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boggsman1



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ISO, Techno..thanks for opening my eyes, I think I'll I vote for Romney. I cant believe I've been so dumb and "naive". Again...thanks.
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keycocker



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"No one but Obama really know his intention in the speech, but there are way too many socialist tendencies, mentors, relationships that Obama is connected to...

Mr Obama has explained that speech very clearly to anyone who wants to know his message.
The Right media is hewing closely to an ignorant interpretation that has nothing to do with his message.

Those mentors in particular are offensive nonsense. Do you see the left listing every person who ever attended an event with Romney in his whole life being recast as the main mentor of his life?
In particular the way each different Talk Radio BS artist has chosen a different person to be his mentor is esp offensive to thinking conservatives.
We ain't that stupid Rush.
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windoggie



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

techno900 wrote:
windoggie,

I don't think conservatives have taken Obama's speech out of context. That's the liberal defense, but his message was clear to me.

You can't do it without government assistance! And if you do succeed and think you were the one that built it, you would be wrong.

It make total sense because that is what Obama believes. He wants everyone to be dependent on government intervention, regulation or assistance, at least that is what I believe.

With all respect, your intellectual dishonesty is glaring. Or you didn't read the quote. Like my father used to say, "don't confuse me with the facts, I've already made up ny mind".

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swchandler



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to agree windoggie, people more often don't really consider what's offered with an open and positive mind. I read President Obama's speech, and I fully understand what he was trying to say. Predictably, they work to twist things to support their negative view on things.

While sometimes I think that techno900 might break the barrier, he easily falls back on his patent distrust and lack of support for anything that President Obama promotes and works for.

I'd hate to have him on my team. He's really not about working together, and that's so prevalent today on the right. They worship guys like Grover Norquist and his nonsense, when many of us realize that the future will require a financial commitment from us all to address our debt and deficit problems. I'll go with the restriction to use all additional revenues gained from added taxation to pay down our existing financial obligations, but I just don't see that kind of leadership and direction from Republicans. They've had a majority in the House of Representative since 2011, but they really don't have their act together. Their legislative record is so unproductive and pitiful. Where's their vision and sense of direction?
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pointster



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My English teachers taught me that when you quote something and leave out part of it, you should insert ellipsis (...) to indicate the elision. For example:

Mike Fick wrote, "The GOP wants to cut 40% off some programs. . . . That's stupid, sick, shameful, unimagined, unsustainable, unAmerican, . . ."

If I were grading the Republicans, I'd have to give them a C- (hey, I'm a liberal, I don't want to damage their self-esteem)
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windoggie



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr Obama, what are some of the traits of the Taliban you find repugnant?
"for one thing, they think it's ok to throw acid on young schoolgirls"

According to a statement made yesterday, Obama said " it's ok to throw acid on young schoolgirls".

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isobras



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pointster wrote:
hey, I'm a liberal . . . That's stupid, sick, shameful, unimagined, unsustainable, unAmerican, . . .

For once we agree.
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swchandler



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

isobars proves my point about folks twisting the facts for specious reasons. Rather than face the facts, they manufacture negative nonsense instead.
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pointster



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

isobras wrote:
pointster wrote:
hey, I'm a liberal . . . That's stupid, sick, shameful, unimagined, unsustainable, unAmerican, . . .

For once we agree.


Actually Mike, thats a transpositon, not an elision, but what the heck, you tried. A++, and a gold star!!!
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techno900



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

windoggie posted:
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techno900 wrote:
windoggie,

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don't think conservatives have taken Obama's speech out of context. That's the liberal defense, but his message was clear to me.

You can't do it without government assistance! And if you do succeed and think you were the one that built it, you would be wrong.
It make total sense because that is what Obama believes. He wants everyone to be dependent on government intervention, regulation or assistance, at least that is what I believe.

With all respect, your intellectual dishonesty is glaring. Or you didn't read the quote. Like my father used to say, "don't confuse me with the facts, I've already made up ny mind".


Obama made the speech and he left himself open to much criticism from the right because of what he said and how he said it. He has to take the heat just like the right takes the heat when they mess up.

What I posted in bold print was my interpretation of Obama's message. If it had been a quote, it would have in quotes.

I read his speech at least three times and I still see the same message. If my bias hadn't been molded by the many things socialist that Obama has been connected to, I might interpret it differently. That's not intellectual dishonesty, it's my opinion based on the available information and Obama's history. You see it differently because of your bias.

Since both the right and left espouse a certain amount of BS, we have to interpret the material and make our own judgements based upon how each of us believe our government should function.
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