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swchandler
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| Classic isobars. Was he really worried about the original poster? No, not really. For him, it's about making his mark. |
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watermonkey
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| kaletor - I'm right around your skill level, I think; lighter weight at 160lb and sailing Coyote, but FWIW: I've got the Fanatic FSW 95L and really like it...bought it from Sunset after a demo session. It's very forgiving, which I need in Coyote chop. I'm using an MFC Freewave 30cm, typically on a 5.5 sail, and have no problems going upwind. |
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scargo
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 9:00 am Post subject: |
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I also bought a 95 rocket after owning a 115 (and a 145). At my weight (200), it works great with 5.5 and 4.7 sails, and I think there are certain benefits from staying in the same family. The 95 does have double concaves, which helps it handle chop, but I've never had any problems popping it onto a plane.
All of that said, any modern board will probably be fine. I sailed the new SB Kodes in Cabarete in February and absolutely loved them for the conditions there (break on the outside, chop on the inside). |
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isobars
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 10:37 am Post subject: |
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| jingebritsen wrote: | | i would stay away from boards that have tons of concave in the bottom well aft of the mast base. those boards tend to sacrifice planing and glide thru lulls and jibes for the sake of blasting comfort thru monster gusts. |
Some sailors value the latter over the former hands down. |
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scargo
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 11:50 am Post subject: |
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| isobars wrote: | | jingebritsen wrote: | | i would stay away from boards that have tons of concave in the bottom well aft of the mast base. those boards tend to sacrifice planing and glide thru lulls and jibes for the sake of blasting comfort thru monster gusts. |
Some sailors value the latter over the former hands down. |
I've always thought this is an interesting point. Stipulating that the dichotomy (concavity v. plane-ability) is legitimate, and further stipulating that both of these guys have far more experience than I do, which is more important?
If one of the points of a smaller board is to help level out the chop, the concaves allow you to get commensurate chop performance out of a little bigger board, and the little bigger board should plane ok because it's, well, a little bigger. Or, looked at another way, the double concaves allow the board to be a little wider for early planing, while still taming the chop.
For me, going as fast as possible in chop is important, and something I work on a lot, so I like a board that will help me do it. But if you want to work on FS etc., you should obviously keep your options open.
One point on the rocket 95 to keep in mind, is that whereas its bigger brothers are comparitively wide, it's one of the narrower 95s you will find -- and really dialed for speed. |
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kaletor
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks very much for all the responses! Great information and suggestions!
Most people have recommended FSW boards and i am surprised by that. I have always thought freeride boards would be a better fit for me because of my skill level and that all i do is blasting and gybing (well, trying to)..
Should I really look at FSW boards or should i stick to freeride boards? I am nowhere close to freestyle or wave windsurfing.. (and probably will not be the next few years) |
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jingebritsen
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 4:14 am Post subject: |
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someone caught on to the fact that windsurfers are vain. i am no exception. FSW sounds sexier than free ride. but, a truly versatile FSW is just another name for free ride.
i've said in many tests that a particular board may be more wave or free style, but the ones that can pull off both tend to best at free riding and everything else. ones that tend to toward FS can be rough riding, top out too soon, very crappy at top turns on a wave. ones that are too wavy tend to be slower to plane, rough riding (lots of rocker can do that).
over the years, FSW has lost its meaning. one should certainly be aware that this class does have some very good boards. so, another class of board to consider is the onshore wave board. they tend to be flatter rocker oriented for speed and acceleration that can rival a free ride or racier class. yet they turn smoothly and are built with comfort thru chop too.
http://www.exocet-original.com/xwave.php
X-wave 91 is the largest in this class for 2012. it is a very good board for going fast in lotsa wind or riding waves. 2013 looks to be even better for larger wave oriented boards.
the cross or S cross are the best free rides from exocet
the nano is a budget oriented line that delivers tons of performance value for the dollar.
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U2U2U2
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 8:27 am Post subject: |
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| kaletor wrote: | Thanks very much for all the responses! Great information and suggestions!
Most people have recommended FSW boards and i am surprised by that. I have always thought freeride boards would be a better fit for me because of my skill level and that all i do is blasting and gybing (well, trying to)..
Should I really look at FSW boards or should i stick to freeride boards? I am nowhere close to freestyle or wave windsurfing.. (and probably will not be the next few years) |
give you some real world reflections: my weight is 155+or- a little . I ride mostly flatish water, the Gorge Rio Vista produce what I call full blown swell, along Berkeley Candlestick , I get a few weeks at each, and sailed east bay sites a lot when I worked in Calif. I owned both the 115L Rocket and the 97L Tabou 3S, on paper the board size is a little small , but the boards themselves are so different that the size is no longer part of the jigsaw puzzle. Too me the Rocket 115L was probably too large for me at times and certainly much too fast. Going to a FSW// a better term ALLROUNDER for actual use, just makes things more manageable.
the FSW label is just what they call this class of board and it does not meant that it is meant for freestyle, or waves or freeride, its a combo of the disciplines, and depending on WHO shapes it,is then what give its defining character, ie more freestyle, more freeride .
you can find boards that transcend the class and morf into the next, so a FSW can be freemove/freestyle oriented while others more wave friendly.
I think buy looking at the boards that are ridden where you sail you will get the feeling of what I mean.
The shop at Coyote or Delta would be a good place to ask questions.
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coachg
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 8:46 am Post subject: |
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| kaletor wrote: | | Should I really look at FSW boards or should i stick to freeride boards? I am nowhere close to freestyle or wave windsurfing.. (and probably will not be the next few years) |
That is why you have to try before you buy. Just because Little Johnnie has a freestyle wave and loves it doesn’t mean you will love it as well. There are plenty of FSW demo boards out there. If you are not going to demo, go with something you know. There are plenty of good freerides out there.
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johnl
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This is where I seem to dissagree with many here. You listed 3 sailing sites. 2 of them flat water. So a FSW isn't the best choice. A FSW is great in B&J conditions(which is why my highwind boards are FSW but not my lower wind). Many of the responses are probably spot on for THEIR style sailing and conditions. A FSW board will be slow in flat water and somewhat boring. A freeride board will be more fun except for high wind at the delta. Probably why I need a Sprinter van to haul all my gear.
Sailing is a compromise. You have to pick which is best overall for you..
| kaletor wrote: | Thanks very much for all the responses! Great information and suggestions!
Most people have recommended FSW boards and i am surprised by that. I have always thought freeride boards would be a better fit for me because of my skill level and that all i do is blasting and gybing (well, trying to)..
Should I really look at FSW boards or should i stick to freeride boards? I am nowhere close to freestyle or wave windsurfing.. (and probably will not be the next few years) |
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