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StillSailin
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Location: Portland/Vancouver
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| Thanks you guys. It's beautiful to get advise and help from people you don't even know. Pretty cool community. Although I recocnize Isobars as continually helping people out online with his experience. Particularly Yours Truly has got some excellent answers. Thnks everybody especially Iso since this is one of several times you've (he) has shared his expertise. Man if you know the answers and can help somebody--share the wealth! |
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isobars
Joined: 12 Dec 1999
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| Glad to. I'll never forget the frustrating years, then decades, I spent trying to learn some of the crap stashed in my head ... let alone trying to maintain and hopefully expand what I've figured out. I try not to force unsolicited advice on people at the beach or the gym, but the most fundamental purpose of a forum is soliciting advice we can choose to accept or reject based on personal experimentation and/or ensuing debate. |
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windaveski
Joined: 17 Nov 1999
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:39 am Post subject: |
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I like my Kokotat dry suit. Much more comfortable all around than a steamer. Most of the pros/cons have already been discussed. Another advantage not mentioned is it is significantly lighter weight than a wet steamer. Think about how much extra you pay for a board that is a few pounds lighter.
As for booties, look into ATAN. They advertise a barefoot feel and it is for real. I estimate the objectionability of my ATAN booties is about 10% of any other bootie. Mine are only 3mm so probably not warm enough for full on winter in the gorge but great for spring and fall. They also have a 6mm version but I haven't tried these. I don't know why no shops in the gorge carry these but you can find them online. |
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dcfordo
Joined: 15 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:55 am Post subject: |
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That is the second time I have heard ATAN recommended. How long do they last? I see they are made of latex.
They are pricey for a bootie, but I may have to try them.
I disagree that any hightop bootie is fine. I feel that most of them are very limiting and sometimes painful if they have a bulky buckle and strap. |
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isobars
Joined: 12 Dec 1999
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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| dcfordo wrote: | Sorry Isobars.
Obviously I was annoyed by your post, but really, I didn't intend to make you that mad.
Sincerely. I'm sorry. |
First off, I equally seriously accept your apology, given your history of useful and on-topic posts. (There are roughly 30 people here whose last chance for a credible apology, to me or to the forum they defile every day, was years ago … >15 years with some individuals.)
But, honestly, I have no clue how my post would annoy anyone. I envy people who have the balance to sail dry, as we’ve had an unusually windy and “warm” winter but the water’s too cold for my hands. And I’m constantly surprised how many people are unaware that all they have to do to escape Hood River’s crappy early spring weather is drive just a little ways further east. The dividing line between coniferous (cold marine-climate evergreen) and deciduous (drier, leaf-shedding, moderat-climate) forests is an obvious vertical line on the Gorge’s southern wall at Rowena. An old local guy who lives on the north wall across from Mosier told me that for the past 30 winters he has often looked west at heavy overcast and east at much clearer, often relatively blue skies. A couple of gallons of gasoline gets us out of the $#!+.
That’s all I posted. I just said it more briefly.
You also had a great deal of help in finding my anger button. Your sniping looked like dozens of comments I see and many more I filter every week and wish to hell the moderators would, you know ... moderate. Since they and Weatherflow management refuse to clean their house, it's up to us to try to do it for them, lest more previously good people slip into the cesspool you dipped a foot into. That stuff spreads, dcfordo; try not to get it on your hands or feet. It didn’t look good any better on you or in the forum than my response did.
I have also recently, again, had to deal with another misanthrope who was denigrating the world’s servicemen, starting with me but implicating every soldier, fireman, policeman, etc. in the free world, accidentally including even his own father and mine and their WWII peers. I’m not as temperate or gracious as the servicemen who just smile at people who spit on them, individually or collectively, literally or figuratively.
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isobars
Joined: 12 Dec 1999
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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| dcfordo wrote: | | I disagree that any hightop bootie is fine. I feel that most of them are very limiting and sometimes painful if they have a bulky buckle and strap. |
You're right. I should have said that, for springtime sailing, just about any hightop is warm enough. Fit and features probably matter more now to the individual than thickness.
Mike \m/ |
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windaveski
Joined: 17 Nov 1999
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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My Atans are at least 3 years old, maybe 4. I use them in April/May and October/November (I live in the mtns in the winter) and occasionaly on the coast. I would guess they have about 40-50 days on them and show only minor wear.
They are actually made of neoprene but are coated (dipped I think) with latex. The latex is very close to barefoot in terms of how they stick/release from your foot straps. They do occasionaly stick in the straps a little more than barefoot. |
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rigitrite
Joined: 19 Sep 2007
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Location: Kansas City
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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I'll be the dissenting voice: I love my steamer. I've seen so many problems with dry suits over the years, seams ripped, impossibly tight gaskets, can't put them on or take them off with out help.
I've used Hotline wetsuits out of Santa Cruz for about 17 years, and have been really pleased with their products. My only complaint, is that they moved their production to Thailand about six years ago, so I don't know if I'll buy from them again.
I've never been cold in my steamer, and I don't get cold out of the water either. Mine is 5/7 mm with integrated hood.
As for neoprene boots, I tried the split toe, but I have issues with the nails on my toes. I went back to O'Neill closed toe boots, and I don't notice any difference in feel on the board. I do notice not having painful damaged toenails.
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