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mac



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

touche.
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isobars



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

coboardhead wrote:
The problem is when one proceeds without a permit. It is harder to prove there was not a wetland once you cover it up.

FWIW, these issues are hardly new. Blaming this on Obama is a stretch.

I agree it started decades ago, but Obama has given it -- and his scores of unelected czars -- powers that defy anything we or the Founding Fathers could have imagined.

The family in this wetlands case had a permit from the government to build their home. The EPA, with power beyond that of the courts until now, simply said 'F You; We're God. You now owe us $37,000 a day." We've been watching this case and this family's struggle for a long time on real news networks.
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pueno



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

isobars wrote:

I agree it started decades ago, but Obama has given it -- and his scores of unelected czars -- powers that defy anything we or the Founding Fathers could have imagined.

More unmitigated horseshit from Iso. Every president back to Roosevelt at least has had so-called "czars" -- it's nothing new with Obama.

Keep in mind that the term "czar" comes from the media, not the White House.

According to one source, GW Bush had 33 "czar" positions (another source said 36), Obama has 38. So you can snivel that Obama has a few more -- but having "czars" is not some new radical leftie socialist Marxist communist fascist trick that Obama has pulled on you, Mike. As usual, you've spun some insignificant factoid of information light years from a true interpretation, just for your twisted rhetorical purposes.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How many Czars did Clinton have? I could live with that, but acting like either obama or bush were/are great leaders is farcical.
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keycocker



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I havent seen anyone here say that either of these guys are great leaders except Iso.What they seem to be saying is that imaginary BS obscures O real limitations, such as the huge effort to trick the uneducated with the birth certificate, Marxist,Muslim,enemy of the USA,Satan reborn BS.
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pueno



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevenbard wrote:
How many Czars did Clinton have?

Read more here.

Note that the big increase in the number of "czars" started with Iso's idol.

(Footnote --- it's interesting that JFK is not on the list.)
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

isobars wrote:
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I agree it started decades ago, but Obama has given it -- and his scores of unelected czars -- powers that defy anything we or the Founding Fathers could have imagined.
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Unfortunately, expertise in a particular field cannot be bestowed by the electorate. Would the founding fathers object to the leader of the executive branch seeking expert advice on policy outside party lines? I don't think so.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

feuser wrote:
Would the founding fathers object to the leader of the executive branch seeking expert advice on policy outside party lines? I don't think so.

For example, wasn't Huntsman Obama's guy in China? In fact, didn't he accept Obama's appointment?

Isn't that a Republican saying, "OK, Mr. Democratic President, I accept your job offer to work on your administration's behalf for the good of the country"?

And isn't that an example of Obama going "across the aisle"?
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