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stevenbard



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

People and businesses are moving to Texas. This is for good reason=good job environment.

Cost of living/housing in Texas are quite a bit lower than Ca. Therefore lower wages.

Education lags in both states because of the extraordinary number of illegals. Maybe a bigger problem in Tx.

Compared to Chicago (obama's home) or other liberal bastions, Tx is great, but could be better.

I won't neccesarily vote for Perry. He's a little plastic for me, but way better than BO.
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isobars



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, the TX education system is ranked quite highly (13th in graduation rate, for example). Obama's Sec of Education's blast at TX ed was simply lies off the top of his head or out the bottom of his bottom. Look it up.
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coyotewindsurf



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually ... the Texas Legislative Council issued a report in June 2010 ranking its NCES HS graduation rate at #37. The Legislative Board's 2010 Texas Fact Book ranked Texas HS graduation rate at #43 for year 2009.

From PolitiFact;
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Texas' graduation rate has been sliding. In 2001 the state ranked 35th, with 65 percent of students graduating from high school. In 2008, Texas ranked 42nd with 62.6 percent of students graduating.

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mac



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you don't like the facts, make them up, or rely on Faux news to do it for you. Recent UCLA study actually looked at the economy of Texas and California. News article here: http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/mar/10/california-vs-texas-which-has-best-economy/

Guess what--the collapse of the real estate bubble hit California very hard, particularly in construction. Texas has benefited from boom in oil prices, but apart from that has a less diverse economy.

Of course, if you like the Texas culture and climate, and don't want to windsurf, I encourage you to move tomorrow.
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isobars



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/08/21/dallas-morning-news-duncan-flat-out-lied-about-texas-education/
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mac



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A hermetically sealed mind...

The one interesting claim in the article Iso cited was that the 2009 NAEP science results were high. That is the most credible national test for comparison. But I note that it said nothing about math and English.

Diane Ravitch's book "Death and Life of the Great American School System" reported (page 96) that Texas' gains were a "mirage", and that the results looked better because low performing students were dropping out. Further, Texas students didn't do as well in tests that were comparable across state boundaries, "such as the SAT and NAEP, or even the state's own test for college readiness."

Much of the rest of the data in the article is cherry-picked and spun. Ravitch's data is from 2000, but the studies she relies on are highly credible. I would like to think that there has been improvement, but it really needs an independent scorecard from someone that doesn't have a vested interest in the outcome to convince me.
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coyotewindsurf



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
... Texas students didn't do as well in tests that were comparable across state boundaries, "such as the SAT and NAEP, or even the state's own test for college readiness." ...

SAT scores for 2010, Texas #42
ACT average composite score 2010, Texas #33

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coboardhead



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

College entrance exam tests, such as ACT and SAT, are not, necessarily a great indicator of the strength of an educational system.

In Colorado, and some other states, ACT testing is mandatory. Not just for college bound students. This can drag down the average test scores and ranking compared to other states.
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coyotewindsurf



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

coboardhead wrote:
College entrance exam tests, such as ACT and SAT, are not, necessarily a great indicator of the strength of an educational system.

Agreed, but the combination of high school graduation rates (#43), NAEP* scores, SAT (#42) and ACT results (#33) all point to a less-than robust educational environment in Texas.
*NAEP Reading scores 8th grade 2009, Texas #35
*NAEP Writing scores 8th grade 2007(latest available), Texas #34
*NAEP Mathematics scores 8th grade 2009, Texas #19
*NAEP Science scores 8th grade 2009, Texas #26

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pueno



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

isobars wrote:
...ranked quite highly (13th in graduation rate, for example)...

Research shows that 42.7% of all cited statistics are made up on the spot. Wink
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