Tea with your bigotry?

[swchandler]

I have to say that I didn't see mat-ty's posted rock and roll video.

Nevertheless, I have to recognize Dan's great post. Certainly a heartfelt commentary that says a lot. Having watched the 'Civil War' series recently aired on PBS, it's important to remember what happened in that tragic war, to include the long road to today.

Still though, many folks today still have a problem with others that feel differently than they do, and race is only a part of the picture.

[swchandler]

46 million? Where's that figure coming from?

The point I really wanted to make is that most women that do get pregnant want to have a child. However, there's a minority of women that find themselves pregnant, and don't want a child. I see no reason to deny them the right to terminate their pregnancy. Ultimately, they live with the decision they make, one way or another. Who am I, as a man, positioned to tell a woman what she should do with her life?

You're making a big mistake in casting Planned Parenthood in negative role. Planned Parenthood isn't corrupting women's minds, as you appear to suggest. I think many of us who aren't twisted by narrow religious boundaries understand that very clearly. Planned Parenthood is providing services that many need and want, particularly those in our poorer communities.

Regarding your feelings of being insulted about my comments, you might think about your wealth of comments too, and how insulting they might be to others that don't share your viewpoints.

One thing that you and I share is the fact we won't ever have to think about getting pregnant. Are we in a elevated position to decide for women what they must do when pregnancy unexpectedly happens in their lives?

[GURGLETROUSERS]

Many of us are not religious, and are not narrow minded, but we draw a clear distinction between abortion cases where it is justified, (rape), and women having the right on demand, for life style purposes.

When abortion was introduced over here it was envisaged as a last resort proceedure. Now, it is seen as a right just to get rid of the inconvenient consequences of sex.

Perhaps the inevitable result is that we have created a throw away society (marriage, babies) where many men show little respect for women anymore!

[mat-ty]

Gurgletrousers
You are absolutely spot on. I do not have a religious bone in my body, I just think it's wrong to take an innocent human life, and abortion is without a doubt, taking a life! And like you said, when it's done for convenience, it only worsens the problem. It's not something I am terribly passionate about , so please spare me all the hate mail, It does not make someone an extremist to feel this way. I am sure there are many libs who feel the same way.

[DanWeiss]

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[mrgybe]

Gurgle, Great wisdom from the North of England......if there are no consequences for unwise actions, respect and caution evaporates. There are 1.5 million abortions a year in the US.........42 million a year worldwide. Most are a lifestyle choice as you say. This from our favorite fount of knowledge.......

"A 1998 aggregated study, from 27 countries, on the reasons women seek to terminate their pregnancies concluded that common factors cited to have influenced the abortion decision were: desire to delay or end childbearing, concern over the interruption of work or education, issues of financial or relationship stability, and perceived immaturity.[71] A 2004 study in which American women at clinics answered a questionnaire yielded similar results" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion#Incidence

Chandler..........the 46 million in the US since Roe v Wade can be found in a thousand places on the web.

[mat-ty]

Dan
I do not think my light hearted post was trying to provoke a fight, but if that is what you would like, that’s fine with me. I should have know better to think a lefty from Boston would not have a better perspective of what its like to be a southern man and be labeled a racist for action he denounces , and did not participate in. And my response to your history lesson was also light hearted. I love music , and do mention it often, you should give it a try, I find it very therapeutic. But if you want to call someone a hypocrite , look no further than your pal obama. He brings the word to a new meaning.

[mac]

Mrgybe’s attacks on Planned Parenthood come directly from a religious right group, focus on the family, that boasts that they give you the pro-family outlook that you won’t get from mainstream media. But as usual, it is a set of cherry picked facts spun as part of an anti-women, anti-poor campaign.

Focus on family reports that "1 in ten women who are Planned Parenthood clients have abortions." Seems to me that that is actually half the number of pregnancies that are terminated by abortion (20%). So I would take those facts and suggest that funding a group that educates women who might not otherwise have access to healthcare, with results that seem to halve the abortion rate, is a pretty good investment.

According to their Executive Director, “Planned Parenthood serves three million women every year through its more than 850 affiliate health centers across the country”

Mrgybe spins that number to a "shocking conclusion" that 330,000 out of 340,000 women get abortions. No, 330,000 out of 3 million get abortions. The rest get information about avoiding pregnancies and it seems to work. Planned Paarenthood is, for many, the last resort for an unwanted pregnancy as the religious right has lobbied for restrictions in most states and threatened and killed doctors who perform abortions. It is where a desperate woman without health care has to go, but treat the numbers with integrity.

[DanWeiss]