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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 5:34 pm    Post subject: Wind on the Nile Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Geert Wilder’s Speech to Holland’s ParliamentWednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 09:07 PM posted by Bill Cebak Geert Wilder’s speech to Holland’s Parliament

Madam Speaker, allow me, first, to express my sincere thanks to you personally for having planned a debate on Islam on the very day of my birthday. I could not have wished for a nicer present! Madam Speaker, approximately 1400 years ago war was declared on us by an ideology of hate and violence which arose at the time and was proclaimed by a barbarian who called himself the Prophet Mohammed. I am referring to Islam.

Madam Speaker, let me start with the foundation of the Islamic faith, the Koran. The Koran’s core theme is about the duty of all Muslims to fight non-Muslims; an Islamic Mein Kampf, in which fight means war, jihad. The Koran is above all a book of war ““ a call to butcher non-Muslims (2:191, 3:141, 4:91, 5:3), to roast them (4:56, 69:30-69:32), and to cause bloodbaths amongst them (47:4). Jews are compared to monkeys and pigs (2:65, 5:60, 7:166), while people who believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God must according to the Koran be fought (9:30).

Madam Speaker, the West has no problems with Jews or Christians, but it does have problems with Islam. It is still possible, even today, for Muslims to view the Koran, which they regard as valid for all time, as a license to kill. And that is exactly what happens. The Koran is worded in such a way that its instructions are addressed to Muslims for eternity, which includes today’s Muslims. This in contrast to texts in the Bible, which is formulated as a number of historical narratives, placing events in a distant past. Let us remind ourselves that it was Muslims, not Jews or Christians, who committed the catastrophic terrorist attacks in New York, Madrid and London; and that it was no coincidence that Theo van Gogh was brutally murdered by a Muslim, Mohammed Bouyeri.

Madam Speaker, I acknowledge that there are people who call themselves Muslims and who respect our laws. My party, the Freedom Party, has nothing against such people, of course. However, the Koran does have something against them. For it is stated in the Koran in Sura 2, verse 85, that those believers who do not believe in everything the Koran states will be humiliated and receive the severest punishment; which means that they will roast in Hell. In other words, people who call themselves Muslims but who do not believe, for example, in Sura 9, verse 30, which states that Jews and Christians must be fought, or, for example, in Sura 5, verse 38, which states that the hand of a thief must be cut off, such people will be humiliated and roast in Hell. Note that it is not me who is making this up. All this can be found in the Koran. The Koran also states that Muslims who believe in only part of the Koran are in fact apostates, and we know what has to happen to apostates. They have to be killed.

Madam Speaker, the Koran is a book that incites to violence. I remind the House that the distribution of such texts is unlawful according to Article 132 of our Penal Code. In addition, the Koran incites to hatred and calls for murder and mayhem. The distribution of such texts is made punishable by Article 137(e). The Koran is therefore a highly dangerous book; a book which is completely against our legal order and our democratic institutions. In this light, it is an absolute necessity that the Koran be banned for the defense and reinforcement of our civilization and our constitutional state. I shall propose a second-reading motion to that effect.

Madam Speaker, there is no such thing as “moderate Islam”…. As Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan said the other day, and I quote, “There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it”…. Islam is in pursuit of dominance. It wishes to exact its imperialist agenda by force on a worldwide scale (8:39). This is clear from European history. Fortunately, the first Islamic invasion of Europe was stopped at Poitiers in 732; the second in Vienna in 1683. Madam Speaker, let us ensure that the third Islamic invasion, which is currently in full spate, will be stopped too in spite of its insidious nature and notwithstanding the fact that, in contrast to the 8th and 17th centuries, it has no need for an Islamic army because the scared “dhimmis” in the West, also those in Dutch politics, have left their doors wide open to Islam and Muslims.

Apart from conquest, Madam Speaker, Islam is also bent on installing a totally different form of law and order, namely Sharia law. This makes Islam, apart from a religion for hundreds of millions of Muslims also, and in particular, a political ideology (with political/constitutional/Islamic basic values, etc). Islam is an ideology without any respect for others; not for Christians, not for Jews, not for non-believers and not for apostates. Islam aims to dominate, subject, kill and wage war.

Madam Speaker, the Islamic incursion must be stopped. Islam is the Trojan Horse in Europe. If we do not stop Islamification now, Eurabia and Netherabia will just be a matter of time. One century ago, there were approximately 50 Muslims in the Netherlands. Today, there are about 1 million Muslims in this country. Where will it end? We are heading for the end of European and Dutch civilization as we know it. Where is our Prime Minister in all this? In reply to my questions in the House he said, without batting an eyelid, that there is no question of our country being Islamified. Now, this reply constituted
a historical error as soon as it was uttered. Very many Dutch citizens, Madam Speaker, experience the presence of Islam around them. And I can report that they have had enough of burkas, headscarves, the ritual slaughter of animals, so-called honor revenge, blaring minarets, female circumcision, hymen restoration operations, abuse of homosexuals, Turkish and Arabic on the buses and trains as well as on town hall leaflets, halal meat at grocery shops and department stores, Sharia exams, the Finance Minister’s Sharia mortgages, and the enormous overrepresentation of Muslims in the area of crime, including Moroccan street terrorists.

In spite of all this, Madam Speaker, there is hope. Fortunately. The majority of Dutch citizens have become fully aware of the danger, and regard Islam as a threat to our culture. My party, the Freedom Party, takes those citizens seriously and comes to their defense.

Many Dutch citizens are fed up to the back teeth and yearn for action. However, their representatives in The Hague are doing precisely nothing. They are held back by fear, political correctness or simply electoral motives. This is particularly clear in the case of PvdA, the Dutch Labor Party, which is afraid of losing Muslim voters. The Prime Minister said in Indonesia the other day that Islam does not pose any danger. Minister Donner believes that Sharia law should be capable of being introduced in the Netherlands if the majority want it. Minister Vogelaar babbles about the future Netherlands as a country with a Judeo-Christian-Islamic tradition, and that she aims to help Islam take root in Dutch society. In saying this, the Minister shows that she has obviously gone stark raving mad. She is betraying Dutch culture and insulting Dutch citizens.

Madam Speaker, my party, the Freedom Party, demands that Minister Vogelaar retract her statement. If the Minister fails to do so, the Freedom Party parliamentary group will withdraw its support for her. No Islamic tradition must ever be established in the Netherlands: not now and also not in a few centuries’ time.

Madam Speaker, let me briefly touch on the government’s response to the WRR [Netherlands Scientific Council for Government Policy] report. On page 12 of its response, the government states that Islam is not contrary to democracy or human rights. All I can say to that is that things can’t get much more idiotic than this.

Madam Speaker, it is a few minutes to twelve. If we go on like this, Islam will herald the end of our Western civilization as well as Dutch culture.

I would like to round off my first-reading contribution with a personal appeal to the Prime Minister on behalf of a great many Dutch citizens: stop the Islamification of the Netherlands!

Mr Balkenende, a historic task rests on your shoulders. Be courageous. Do what many Dutch citizens are screaming out for. Do what the country needs. Stop all immigration from Muslim countries, ban all building of new mosques, close all Islamic schools, ban burkas and the Koran. Expel all criminal Muslims from the country, including those Moroccan street terrorists that drive people mad. Accept your responsibility! Stop Islamification!

Enough is enough, Mr Balkenende. Enough is enough.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leave it to stevenbard to find an even bigger bigot and post his speech to demonstrate that in the realm of neo-Nazis, bard is a moderate. Predictably, he will scoff at my charges of racism.

I think I need a bath.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
Leave it to stevenbard to find an even bigger bigot and post his speech to demonstrate that in the realm of neo-Nazis, bard is a moderate. Predictably, he will scoff at my charges of racism.

I think I need a bath.


84% of Egytians agree that if you leave the Muslim faith, that you should be executed. Do you get that?

Mac, if you went to any major muslim city and told them that you were gay, you'd be murdered in the most horrible way. Do you not get it? Do you not see that within 10-15 years Russia will be majority muslim? Europe is soon to follow. Do you not see that they (for the most part) want to murder people like you? They would have our daughters in burkas, beaten and bruised? Do you not see that they are mostly against your way of life?

They celebrate by the millions when a tragedy occurs in America?

Grow up and stop using the race charge.
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keycocker



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go through and substitute Bible for Koran in this speech.
"....It is still possible, even today, for Muslims to view the Koran, which they regard as valid for all time, as a license to kill. And that is exactly what happens." and think how many folks have been killed for Jesus.
Bin laden has a message for American Muslims
" Christians hate you. Do not support the country which hates you"
American Muslims replied by giving Bin Laden the finger. Now Bin laden has the help of a growing group of Americans who distrust ALL Muslims. He appreciates your behavior toward other peace loving people.
Maybe he will win after all if enough guys post this stuff.
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GURGLETROUSERS



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote ... 'Europe is soon to follow.' ?????

That's certainly news to me! Our fabled tolerance for others beliefs doesn't run to sacrificing our own freedoms, and never will.

Might one enquire what you have been eating and drinking?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The U.S. media, the CIA, Stratfor, Ralph Peters ... just about every U.S., European, and Middle-eastern pundit we can find who's not spouting radical Islam rhetoric.

Your TOLERANCE? Your country banned our third biggest talk radio host from England because they disagreed with his opinion. Canada banned Fox News -- the biggest and one of the most unbiased (per research funded by left wing think tank) networks in U.S. Cable TV news -- but admitted Al Jazeera until recently. Your PM ranted against multiculturalism as a failure. I'd be afraid for my health if I said something good about Bush in England.

Tolerance? Not by a light year.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I note the over the top tone ... 'ranting' Prime Minister, something he doesn't do. I hope the irony isn't lost on others.

Multiculturalism has raised problems, and as he pointed out, we need a different approach, but at least we tried. Tolerance in action!

By the way, I worked with a muslim colleague for over 30 years, and I remain friends with both him and his extended family.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's not to learn stevenbard? You have made it very clear that you are an evangelical wing-nut. You don't need to be brainwashed, you sign up for the e-mails. Whether it is the anti-abortion picture, or the rantings of Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck, you will repeat "information" of questionable provenance. The thing that astonishes me is how the true wing nuts in the American right seem panicked at the departure of a dictator in Egypt. His vice president, who took our torture cases on consignment, is still around.

Let me guess, bard, since we have an obnoxious evangelical in our family I know a little about the type. We even tried one for President, but it was a disaster. You used to have a substance abuse problem. But now you are a self-made man, and think everyone should be able to do it--with just a little help from jaysus. What amazes me is that you authoritarian evangelicals are about the least Christian people I've ever met. You've threatened me with violence, and your right-wing churches just have to mention Muslims and you spit all over yourself with hate. It's my opinion that those preachers try to keep you whipped up so you don't notice all the money they are taking home--like Texas TV preacher Kenneth Copeland, who lives on a $6.2 million parsonage and drives a Mercedes Benz, a Cadillac, and a Corvette.

Bard’s quote shows up on the Infidel Blogger’s Alliance, and has been resurrected by Rush Limbaugh. Of course Rush also said that the Egyptian protestors are a leftist rent-a-mob. Rush is not quite as wacky as Glenn Beck, who moaned about a coming caliphate, and lost the support of much of the rest of conservatives.

Let me be clear. I find obnoxious, authoritarian religious nuts loathsome, whether they come from American evangelical sources, or Muslim sects in other parts of the world. But since we spend more than 10 time as much on our military as any other country, I'm more worried about the loathsome wing-nuts in this country, it is you who want to change the Constitution.
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