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boggsman1



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Besides hunting Elk in Montana, can anyone make a good case why we need guns in this country?
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isobars



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was so civil for years to these jerks that I was praised by someone many of us know and respect from past forums and the real world for my "grace under pressure" and was nominated by her as presidential material.

No mas.

It doesn't faze them. Reportedly like the Arab cuilture, all they know is force, and I reserve the right to shovel it right back at them when I so choose. It's too bad so many of them are so shameless they don't even care if I forward their posts to coworkers and employers; they think this is how normal people behave, for only one reason I can fathom: it apparently IS how the people they hang with behave. If I behaved towards upright hominids the way I sometimes now do towards these invertebrates, I'd be hanging my head in shame. One would think the more intelligent liberals would take a hint from their decent members like coboardhead, but NOOOOOO ... his rational example of how to disagree civilly just soars miles above their heads. They regard his occasional lapses as carte blanche to do nothing but $#!+ in our living room, just as their incessant, nothing but trash talk gives me every right to wade into the cesspool with them now and then as long as I can back up my trash with facts ... something they refuse to do and/or cannot do when challenged to do so.

I just didn't realize how representative of a whole segment of the population my NM neighbor of 20 years ago was: so arrogant and dumb that he boasted in signed letters to us (Jere Millard, PhD ... as though that mattered when he's poisoning pets or demanding that we turn off our porch light) about poisoning my golden retriever because it stepped on his adjoining desert acreage. Fortunately for him, we didn't know he was responsible for it until a year or two later (his PhD specialty is toxicology; the state crime lab couldn't detect whatever he used); had I caught him real time for that (or when he threw a rock at my wife) he would have done some major time in a hospital. I now realize he wasn't that unique, particularly since Chandler so publicly advocates killing barking neighborhood pets.

I finally understand why politics is not a valid topic in polite society. It's just too toxic when irrational people on either side get involved. HOWEVER, I have yet to see a bible thumper do any more than tell me matter-of-factly that I'm going to hell because I'm not a Catholic; that's a different world from the baseless personal attacks so common here.
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mrgybe



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

swchandler wrote:
Come on mrgybe, you've been consistent in your stringent criticisms of the Obama Administration and the Democrats in Congress. Do you think that you're truly standing on the side of civility and others aren't?

Civility isn't necessarily defined on your terms.


Most people will understand that there is a distinct difference between engaging in rational debate and descending to name calling and making wild, usually unfounded accusations. I do not respond to views I oppose with accusations of bigotry, racism, stupidity, or violence......many on this forum do.
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isobars



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrgybe wrote:
1. Most people will understand that there is a distinct difference between engaging in rational debate and descending to name calling and making wild, usually unfounded accusations.

2. I do not respond to views I oppose with accusations of bigotry, racism, stupidity, or violence......many on this forum do.


1. These people are the exceptions, and their numbers are immense. Many of the liberals in this and other WSing forums exposed me to an entirely new (to me) form of behavior roughly 12-14 years ago. I hadn't personally witnessed such senseless, angry vitriol before then, even though I graduated high school in Montgomery, Alabama in 1961.

2. They do. It's apparently all this subterranean segment of their persuasion knows. I didn't understand until Wardog entered the scene that their "You're a BIGOT" translates into English as "I disagree, but cannot support my opinion with facts or logic." They thus do not understand that my "People who blame Arizona on Palin are despicable, invertebrate cretins" means "People who blame Arizona on Palin are despicable, invertebrate cretins", not "I disagree with you".

BTW .... aren't These People who blame Palin and Beck for Arizona the same group who claims TV doesn't influence our behavior?

I suggested to Weatherflow that they should consider drawing a line somewhere short of allowing this thread blaming the Arizona tragedy on Palin, Beck, etc. to continue. IMO, this is a test of their organizational and personal self-respect and integrity. They can emulate the Huffington Post/Moveon.org "Nancy Reagan should break a hip and die" mentality or they can show SOME sense of dignity.


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mac



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrgybe boasts:
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I do not respond to views I oppose with accusations of bigotry, racism, stupidity, or violence......many on this forum do.


True enough, and a rare sign of good behavior among the righties. But you have been quick to defend the TEA party from well-placed criticisms of bigotry and extremism, and silent on the threats of those you support politically.
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MalibuGuru



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

boggsman1 wrote:
Besides hunting Elk in Montana, can anyone make a good case why we need guns in this country?


One of the 1st things Hitler and Stalin did was to outlaw guns. Hunting never crossed the minds of our founding fathers. Of course then, the government didn't control our every move, there were no income taxes, and men were real men, not (for the most part) a bunch of poofters like they are today. Rolling Eyes
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boggsman1



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevenbard wrote:
boggsman1 wrote:
Besides hunting Elk in Montana, can anyone make a good case why we need guns in this country?


One of the 1st things Hitler and Stalin did was to outlaw guns. Hunting never crossed the minds of our founding fathers. Of course then, the government didn't control our every move, there were no income taxes, and men were real men, not (for the most part) a bunch of poofters like they are today. Rolling Eyes

I certainly dont want to outlaw guns, I just dont know the utility of owning a Glock, or any other semi-automatic killing machine. When Plax rolled into the Latin Quarter with his Glock, I doubt he was going pheasant hunting afterwards. And Steve...I doubt the US is a good comp with Stalin's Russia...but then again you compared the USA with Zimbabwe last week.
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keycocker



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Founding Fathers made it very clear who they felt should carry guns
"well organized militias"
Two good old boys in a pickup truck drunk on their asses in a bar in Arizona with two handguns each hidden in their jackets was not what they had in mind.Or a psycho whose mental health records the Arizona Gov. hasn't bothered to put in that pesky gun permit check registry.
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keycocker



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are plenty of countries where guns are not controlled.Afghanistan,Liberia,Somalia...
America is not like those places ,but it is always good to see which way we are going.
They have low taxes and no socialism at all as well. And to make newly elected Congressman Paul happy-no IRS or Dept of Education
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Bard...there are some tasty waves in Somalia, why dont you take up residence in a nice pad in downtown Mogadishu? No poofters, no taxes, no GOVT, sounds like a Bardman Utopia!
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