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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:53 pm    Post subject: Harness Lines: Mono vs. Regular Reply with quote

Harness Lines: Mono vs. Regular

I'm not so sure that I love mono line performance and pictures of magazine pros usually feature regular lines. I have only used mono lines a few times though. What saith the Forumites with regards to rig feel and preference for harness line type?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well...increases boom bending stresses
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.iwindsurf.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=19983&highlight=mono
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89Spring



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I started windsurfing with the lines about 12" apart they are now essentially a mono line. it is more balanced and agile way to go, at least for me. as far as bending the boom, go carbon. that is one of the best upgrades you can do
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have a strong boom ( good & carbon)I wouldn't worry about stressing it. I won't go back to non mono lines as I love the ease of putting on- no need to remove tail piece- and the clean, rigid feel of the lines- less swing and extraneous parts. That said you need to know the length of lines you prefer and that they are also better for freestyle, wave, or bump & jump, I.e. Disciplines where the ability to change line length is unimportant. Formula or race sailing would be better with adjustable length.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’ve been running mono lines on one of my wave booms all summer, so essentially experimenting with them. I have used them in conditions from 4.0/70 liter board huge ebb to 5.5/115 liter big flood at Sherman Island. Traditionally I run the lines on my large booms-sails 7.6 & up-at one thumbs distance apart and on my smaller booms a max of a shaka distance apart.

Mono lines take longer to fine tune, but once tuned are easier to adjust to changing CE’s. They are easier to get in and out of and easier to put on and take off the boom.

Traditional lines are much more adjustable and/or tunable. Even fixed traditional lines can be tuned by moving them wider apart for higher winds or closer together for lighter winds.

So if you sail where you really don’t need any adjustment to your lines, then mono lines are fine. If you need to adjust them for any reason, then stay with traditional lines.

Potential point loading on the boom is the other issue but only time will tell on that.

I will probably end up putting them on my slalom boom for sails 5.5-7.6 due to the point loading fear. Much less B&J in that wind range.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For my free-ride/wave/freestyle gear, I genuinely LOVE my mono lines, for a couple reasons:

They're stiffer - hooking in is super easy - AND - sometimes when i'm being lazy about bending my knees, my harness lines will re-hook after I've flipped the sail - doesn't happen with the mono lines.

Adjusting them for different sail sizes is much quicker.

Once they're dialed in to the right spot, I feel like I have finger tip control.

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getrealsurfer



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mono lines suck. You should take them off your boom immediately and send them to me.
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DonORiordan



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jsampiero wrote:
For my free-ride/wave/freestyle gear, I genuinely LOVE my mono lines, for a couple reasons:

They're stiffer - hooking in is super easy - AND - sometimes when i'm being lazy about bending my knees, my harness lines will re-hook after I've flipped the sail - doesn't happen with the mono lines.

Adjusting them for different sail sizes is much quicker.

Once they're dialed in to the right spot, I feel like I have finger tip control.



I've been using regular lines with very narrow spacing i.e. which are practically touching each other for some years. Then these Mono lines came along, seemed ideal, so I tried em, ....... and eventually went back.

Unlike Josh and some others who have posted here, I found them harder to scootch back and forth to adjust for changing COE or sail size, esp when down in the water, or even while riding along (sometimes I do my adjustments while still sailing). So I went back to the regular lines, which I still space very close together, but find easier to slide back and forth that couple of inches. Sure, I've got two attachment points to slide now instead of one, but it just seems easier overall.

Your mileage of course may vary (maybe my boom was one with 'extra grippy grip', or maybe I'm just a wimp, or both... )
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've used the mono lines a few more times now and gotten more used to them. I agree with most of the positive attributes listed in the two threads on this. Also, I think with single point on the boom as a fulcrum, more subtle pumping or fluttering of the sail is possible off the wind to achieve or maintain planing in lighter conditions. Conversely, powering upwind utilizing the harness lines seems easier with regular lines, maybe two points of contact are superior for that.

For mono line, I do find repeated unhooking/hooking is harder to do in a very light inside condition when slogging mode is interspersed with desperation hula mode on a small board. More practice, or tweaking with boom height or line length may help though.

Still don't know why pictures of hotshots show most using normal lines, there must be some preference about this or maybe it's just a sponsorship thing.
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