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isobars



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tradewinds wrote:
My government is such an embaressment!


That apparently never changes, no matter who's in charge. Giving power to idiots just creates powerful idiots.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

powerful idiot.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

joew wrote:
When a Dutch cartoonist parodies the prophet mohammed, a firestorm of worldwide muslim outrage ensues, but when a Pakistani taliban suicide bomber blows himself up in a mosque, killing innocent lives, we hear nothing from the "street" ...


Actually, that bombing of the Red Mosque in Islamabad created a huge rift between terrorists and even the hard core islamists in the area - the Taliban included.

It was surely an underreported event, but the western media at the time neither saw the significance nor had they an involvement of a western party to report. I am sure that yet again "the surge" will be credited with the success when the AlQuaida has managed to bomb themselves out of popular support.

There's hope, if the NATO forces manage to become slightly less unpopular than suicide bombers in the markets (i.e. kill less civilians).

You know how fucked up something is when you mean to post something positive and it sounds like the darkest kind of sarcasm...

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"But even most liberal pundits and politicians concede that "the surge worked",
The head of that military effort, on the three occasions I have heard him discuss it, said about the surge:
More boots on the ground always helps but the biggest help has come from the Awakening.
This local Sunnis movement could not exist in the first years of the war because we treated all Sunni leaders as the enemy. When the US military finally got good leadership, the Awakening was being promoted quietly by foreign journalists including Al Jazeera and Mike Weir, who could talk to these folks without Bushs permission.
Our present military leaders there are a lot more competent and they are using this movement to help us win. On one of the few talk radio programs I heard in recent years some idiot was attacking the military for giving arms to these guys. This smacks of treason to me and is one reason I so dislike Talk Radio A##holes who keep Conservatives confused and unable to recognize the enemy.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone notice that since the change in US government, and a change in policy towards blowing our mouths off about Iran, we are now WINNING?My Irani friend asked me to post that.
A little understanding goes a long way in dealing with other nations, and making America safe.
Now when our gov. insults other nations we apologize despite the far right screaming F!U!s to both our gov, our moderate conservatives, and even Americas winning policies, along with Os mistakes
By the way you should not call Mike a neoconservative as an insult. This is not correct, they believe something else. Even Beck is not a Neo, along with all the talk hosts I to whom have paid any attention. Remember- talk guys don't use facts or political movements. They survey the public and give "facts" and "opinions" based on what the audience of mostly older, aggravated, uneducated, blue collar listeners wants to hear.
Sean Hannity explained this once on the air when he was a talk show host I listened to in Kansas City.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Be careful both about assuming that the surge worked, or that the current military leadership in Iraq is on top of it. Remember that Odierno, who is the head guy in Iraq a this time, was the gung ho field officer who filled Abu Ghrab with "bad guys" without differentiation, and led in substantial part to the successful growth of the insurgency.

In Afghanistan we are trying to look at a different culture and economy with the eyes of wanna-be nation builders. The biggest problem, however, is the lack of legitimacy of the government as anything but an American puppet that is stealing everything in sight--including elections. With the Arabs essentially chased out of Afghanistan by Americans and Afghanis, what you have behind is a jihad against the American occupiers. A very different situation than at the start of the war, and perhaps not so amenable to counter-insurgency efforts.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

keycocker wrote:
Anyone notice that since the change in US government, and a change in policy towards blowing our mouths off about Iran, we are now WINNING?My Irani friend asked me to post that.

you should not call Mike a neoconservative as an insult.

talk guys don't use facts


If we're winning in Iran, how did Ahmadinejad get away with not only giving the UN the finger in response to its counter-proliferation demands but also give the U.S. a one-month ultimatum for a nuclear fuel swap?

The only definition I've ever been able to find for neocon is "one who has changed from Democrat to Republican". Even where that's true, how is it an insult?

You keep saying TR lies, but refuse to back it up. I've fact-checked many, MANY TR claims. The vast majority of claims I've heard made by TR hosts are easily verified, with almost no such claims disproved. You need to find some better TR hosts; there are plenty of truthful ones out there.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do not believe that TR lies any more than I believe that Comedy Channel news lies. They are a non factual news medium and have said so directly.
Limbaugh spent years telling us that Carter caused the last oil crisis as a central theme.(Hint)He wasn't in office.
He recently said that Obama caused the recession. O also was not yet in office at the time Rush said that.
Which joke programs did you find out checked out completely ? or did they all?
"If we're winning in Iran, how did Ahmadinejad get away with not only giving the UN the finger in response....
Read the news and you will understand the poster who wrote that Amadinnerjacket owes his whole career to the US. My Irani friend who fights against him says they are winning and thats my report from the front.
Mike-several people here have defined that word for you when you first said you didn't know what it meant. You told us we were wrong, so that leaves you without a clue, and us not so motivated to bother typing it again.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

keycocker wrote:
Mike-several people here have defined [neocon] for you when you first said you didn't know what it meant. You told us we were wrong, so that leaves you without a clue, and us not so motivated to bother typing it again.


Au contraire, almost everyone who used it refused to define it. The couple who made any attempt simply made up their own definition completely different from any dictionary explanation. The only definition I can find anywhere is "a democrat turned republican". Based on that, its use on me is nonsensical.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh really! Any buyers?
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