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vtm81



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:47 am    Post subject: alpine snowboard: best windsurfing alternative Reply with quote

Hi folks,

I just want to share an opinion and experience here with the windsurfing community.

I lived in Quebec for a few years and most of my windsurfing buddies were doing alpine snowboarding during the winter time. I gave the (almost underground) sport a shot and ....never looked back.

From a G-force perspective, the rush is very close to windsurfing especially during a radical high speed laydown jibe.

From a learning curve point of view, it a bit better than windsurfing but still very technical.

Here is a video example of alpine snowboarding
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1l8e8r9m4Q

Some resources to the sport
www.extremecarving.com
www.bomberonline.com
http://www.pureboarding.com/index.php?id=filme

Enjoy your winter....
Cool
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speedysailor



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snowboarding has no similarities with windsurfing. You are deluded into thinking that it does. That learning curve garbage only hides the facts that snowboarders are too young to be responsible as a rule, they are dangerous to themselves and others, that the common injuries they inflict and sustain remain too life altering to support it as a legit sport, and that they should be banned from lift service ski areas.
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acidland



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the snowboard video vtm81, I am getting excited about doing some boarding soon. Don't pay any attention to Bruce as he seems to be a very opinionated and cranky old guy. I myself am 59 years old and have been snowboarding since before they had edges on them back in the 70's. Back when the sport first began, we were banned from the slopes of many resorts. Bruce should be banned from all forums but is allowed to continue because he steers up controversy. Snowboarding is a great way to develop balance and movement on both sides of the body, since you have to turn left and right. I've seen a few windsurfers who have trouble making jybes because they have not been able to develop their weaker side. Snowboarding forces the issue as there are no POLES to assist.
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speedysailor



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's see, having been slammed from behind and clipped above the knee by a punk snowboarder, I have had an acute sense of the increased dangers snowboarders have added to downhill slopes. You run a much more serious risk of head concussions on one than any other type of sporting good.
Even when wearing helmets, I have heard of terrible horror stories regarding snowboarder head injuries. Then there's the larcerations caused by the metal edges. Again, personal attacks don't ever expose the truths about equipment.
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pueno



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

seedy wrote:
Let's see, having been slammed from behind and clipped above the knee by a punk snowboarder, I have had an acute sense of the increased dangers snowboarders have added to downhill slopes. You run a much more serious risk of head concussions on one than any other type of sporting good.
Even when wearing helmets, I have heard of terrible horror stories regarding snowboarder head injuries. Then there's the larcerations caused by the metal edges. Again, personal attacks don't ever expose the truths about equipment.

Too bad he didn't slam and clip your head, Brucie. But then, if he had, you wouldn't have suffered damage and we wouldn't have enjoyed your story.
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89Spring



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yup there are never ever any asshole skiers. Its only the snowboarders that cut people off. Every single skier out there is an angel. You sound like a grumpy old bag. i skied from very early childhood and eventually progressed into snowboarding and eventually into plates, hard boots, and skinny flat tail boards. Alpine snowboarding rocks. Highspeed pure carving turns with your chest a couple inches off the snow. I have collided into a skier. Brucie I have a question for you. Who has right of way on a slope, the uphill or downhill rider? To be clear I was the downhill rider and god forbid I was on a snowboard and the other rider was on skies.
I feel that all board sports are loosely related, emphasis on loosely. Alpine snowboarding rocks.
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EzzyCzar



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have skied my whole life. Don't alpine much any more, but when I do go I telemark. I own a carve board. When I skied a lot I would only use the crave board as an alternative to no powder days.

Carve boards are fun but I think pretty limited in their scope of use. Also it hurts bad when you get nailed. That is your nose carves too hard and you flip upside down onto your head, similar to going over the handle bars in windsurfing.

Do you have your full circles down yet?

I personally find telemark skiing the most technical and rewarding of the downhill genres. No fakeemark!
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kevinkan



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

heh, broke out the alpine board for the first time in over 10 years... i also used to correlate alpine carving w/ carving a surfboard/sailboard. there are some similarities... here's pretty cool toy i've used for fun.

http://www.carveusa.com/index.php

I've used this board on hills, w/ a sail, and w/ a kite (larger trainer).

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FredFX



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kevinkan wrote:
heh, broke out the alpine board for the first time in over 10 years... i also used to correlate alpine carving w/ carving a surfboard/sailboard. there are some similarities... here's pretty cool toy i've used for fun.

http://www.carveusa.com/index.php

I've used this board on hills, w/ a sail, and w/ a kite (larger trainer).


The board looks nice, but it doesn't have footstraps like, say an MBS mountain board. Wouldn't that be an issue, or did you add straps to it?
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speedysailor



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The topic is would snowboarding be the best alternative to windsurfing. I know two windsurfing shops that carry snowboards. It's a great shallow minded sell that has little substance. On the safety issue, would you want your local police to carry automatic weapons instead of revolvers? Skiing is hard to learn so that's why so many kids go for the boards. The fact that they can access the whole mountain in a short time only makes the fact that they have no knowledge of the hidden dangers of their equipment only more acute. Skiing opens a lot more terrain to the accomplished athlete. Thank god I can take my skis off piste and away from the horde of geeky snowboarders. Nevertheless, that probably won't be this year in that Windsurfing is the best alternative to windsurfing.
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pueno



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

seedy wrote:
The topic is would snowboarding be the best alternative to windsurfing. I know two windsurfing shops that carry snowboards. It's a great shallow minded sell that has little substance. On the safety issue, would you want your local police to carry automatic weapons instead of revolvers? Skiing is hard to learn so that's why so many kids go for the boards. The fact that they can access the whole mountain in a short time only makes the fact that they have no knowledge of the hidden dangers of their equipment only more acute. Skiing opens a lot more terrain to the accomplished athlete. Thank god I can take my skis off piste and away from the horde of geeky snowboarders. Nevertheless, that probably won't be this year in that Windsurfing is the best alternative to windsurfing.

You piste on your skis, Brucie? And yesterday you pithed on them? Shame on your lack of self control. Don't the other skiers object when you befoul the trails like that?
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isobars



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe for surfing, alpine snowboarding is close, but dirt biking uses far more WSing muscles.

Brucie, the last guy I deliberately put in an ER was a skier, not a snowboarder.

Mike \m/
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kevinkan



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FredFX wrote:
kevinkan wrote:
heh, broke out the alpine board for the first time in over 10 years... i also used to correlate alpine carving w/ carving a surfboard/sailboard. there are some similarities... here's pretty cool toy i've used for fun.

http://www.carveusa.com/index.php

I've used this board on hills, w/ a sail, and w/ a kite (larger trainer).


The board looks nice, but it doesn't have footstraps like, say an MBS mountain board. Wouldn't that be an issue, or did you add straps to it?


I rode it without straps. For me, straps are pretty much the last thing I want on a skate sailor. I like to be able to jump off if I want to bail. I know other people use straps and do all sorts of spinny freestyle practice... I guess I never really go into that. I like it on the water, but not on land. The best thing about the Carve board is that it's like riding the tiniest little wave board. The trucks are super loose (takes some getting used to.... kind of like a bike, the board is very unstable until you get moving). The super loose trucks and geometry let the board angulate 45 degrees in the turns, so your grip comes from the deck angle and grip tape. Also, you can adjust the tire pressure for glide/grip... the tires grip like crazy and you can carve the tightest 360s.

I don't jibe my feet either... I just ride switch stance when I switch tacks. This board isn't for everyone, but it's the best thing I've used for skatesailing by far.

Hmmm... maybe today? Very Happy

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sailingjoe



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So vtm81 like most canadians comes here and tries to sell his favorite product to a bunch of naive Americans who are still wet behind the years and haven't finished school. They buy it, hook, line and sinker.
EzzyCzar wrote:
I have skied my whole life.
How long has that life been? Did you ski out of the womb?
EzzyCzar wrote:


Do you have your full circles down yet?

I'm one of those guys that took Telemark skiing east after it was revived. After selling an amazing amount of ski equipment, I moved to Warren, Vt. twenty years ago, and worked as a tech at the base of Mad River Glen. Now, let's get back to windsurfing. There's really nothing like it.
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hodad.andy



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This may be considered sacrilege, but I'm a pretty big fan of snow kiting on frozen lakes or wide open snowy fields. Or, if you've got the high quality ice, then the skateboard-like-windsurfing-rigs are pretty bad-ass too. Either of them get you out in the fresh air, being pulled along by the wind, which is what it's all about, right?
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